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hi everyone

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welcome to the ufo hub webcast today's

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guest is going to be lisa o'hara

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she's the author of the book abducted

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and furious

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how i fought back and how you can too

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and as always

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i'm going to let the guests get into the

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background information

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so let's get to it hi lisa welcome

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thanks for being on

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thank you so much for having me i really

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appreciate it

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well so um i'm glad we're able to make

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it today because earlier today i

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had to text you regarding the storm and

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we had a power outage and

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i wasn't sure if we were going to have

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it but thankfully everything worked out

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great so

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you know now you're here so i figured uh

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why don't you start out with a little

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bit of background about yourself

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um i lived in california for quite a few

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and moved around a lot as a child every

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year or two years

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and i moved to arizona 10 years ago

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and although i've always had

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some strange experiences i couldn't

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explain or label

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i was until i moved to arizona that i

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began

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recently figured out that i uh

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i'm abducted by aliens every night oh

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wow that's interesting

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so can you maybe go a little bit into

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that about how you found out

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sure um because i was uh constantly

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having these unusual experiences

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um i around i guess i'm i'm gonna be 60

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soon so

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10 years ago i was almost 50 and i

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started you know trying to label what i

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uh you know what are these weird

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in my past and so i um

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started you know trying to label it you

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know i started reading books

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and trying to figure out if i was an

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intuitive or

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a psychic or a medium and i

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read a book called how to tell if you're

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a medium

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and um i thought well you know i mean it

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was sort of vague

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it sort of seemed like it was kind of

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like a horoscope where you

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feel like it can fit you but not really

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and you know so

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i thought well um you know this could be

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true but it could not also not be true i

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mean it's kind of vague

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and so i thought you know i'm not

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married to being a medium

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uh if that's not true because i didn't

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want to you know have the ego thing

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oh here finally i found it you know uh

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and as soon as i started

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saying that i heard knocking on the wall

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and i thought

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that's strange i mean you know it's not

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my imagination i can hear this knocking

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so i started meditating quite a bit and

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and then i asked my spirit guides uh

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you know what i my purpose was on this

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earth

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and they said to be a beacon of light

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now i don't know what i didn't know what

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that meant at the time uh eventually i

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figured out that it means like showing

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the way but

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at the time i just thought that is

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really cryptic i have no idea what that

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means um i'm just going to

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continue you know on my merry way

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um then later um they were telling me i

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started getting messages from ghosts

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and one of them was from my mother and

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she made me to go through very specific

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things to tell my sister

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some very important message and it kept

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happening like that so i thought well

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maybe i'm a medium

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and i just didn't know it all this time

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so i started looking for a medium mentor

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or teacher

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and it took a long time i finally found

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one in 2016

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uh i said okay i went to there i went

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there to talk to her

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my mother um at the time who had passed

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in 2014

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and i told her i really want to talk to

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my mother and she said well you could

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talk to her anytime you want you're just

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like me

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you're a medium so that's how i found

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that out so i started

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working with her to become a medium a

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practicing medium

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and uh went through that for uh i'd say

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but um i got to a point where i don't

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know if anyone else can understand this

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but when you

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there are times when you say oh i'm

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gonna go try to do this as my job

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and you go and go and go and then at

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some point there's some sort of

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loss of momentum and you think to

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yourself you know what this just doesn't

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feel right anymore it doesn't feel like

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i'm really going in that direction

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at first i could see myself in this

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position but now it's sort of like

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fading i mean i don't know where i'm

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going but it's not this place

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um so my medium at the time did say

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you're at a crossroads right now so you

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can be a medium or you can learn more

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and i thought well i want to do more

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because i don't

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see myself in this position anymore so

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um i'm still meditating and one night

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i'm in bed meditating because a lot of

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times i would meditate to go to sleep

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and i would i felt this incredibly

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um negative presence in my room and it

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you know just dark and menacing and it

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just didn't feel good at all

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and so i asked my spirit guide and i

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found out his name was korig

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um korig what is that feeling just what

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and then he said oh it's the grays

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they're here to take you

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they took all your eggs and that's why

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you don't have children

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and i thought what i mean i always felt

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sorry for people who were taken by

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aliens and here i am

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finding out that i am also being taken

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by aliens

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and it was very very jarring and

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horrible and

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um i just felt you know like the bottom

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of my world

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fell out from under me and i didn't feel

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and i just felt like it was horrifying

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um at that point um i just

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just felt freaked out basically

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um i did eventually tell my husband he

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said ah that's not true that's

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impossible he's very sciencey and

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he's an engineer and so i actually felt

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because i felt like yeah he's right that

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can't be true that doesn't sound

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right and um so

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i it kind of gave me that feeling of i

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can get used to this a little at a time

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i don't have to get used to

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this all at once you know um so

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i that continued for a while uh with me

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um and just kind of got used to the idea

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i started thinking i'm really mad i

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don't like this um

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you know it's helpless it's you know

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most people can't talk about this and

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i didn't want this to happen anymore i

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wanted out

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so while i was still at the medium at

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that time i

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started telling her about this and she

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started helping me try to get out of it

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um she was of the opinion that we had um

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contracts before we were born here on

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um i didn't think that that sounded like

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i can't imagine choosing this so

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i um so but i thought well

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i'm just gonna go with it um so we tried

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everything we tried um

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deleting akashic records we tried uh

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breaking the contracts we tried healings

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our right to sovereignty and free will

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i kept in one of those plastic

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protectors that i could read every night

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my husband called it my manifesto so i

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would read it out loud and demand my

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right to free will

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i would say no i'm not going um you know

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we tried everything like i said but

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i was also searching madly and

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frantically on the web

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for what things other people had done

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and uh you know i found a couple of

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websites they showed the tools that

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um for abduction what they had seen what

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they hadn't seen

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while this was happening um i started

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you know what i can i can turn this

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around i mean i can be fearful

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but one of the things i should do is i

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should start looking for clues i should

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flip the script you know i mean instead

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me being their guinea pig they could be

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the things i noticed was that my

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clothes had this funky smell at certain

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if i if i left it on my counter in the

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bathroom it would smell

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and it would smell and i thought for a

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while that i wasn't putting in laundry

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correctly or not enough or whatever so i

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tried different experiments trying to

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see if i could figure out where the

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smell was coming from

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you know took them took them out of the

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dryer right away and hung them up in my

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i mean it took an absurdly long time but

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the reason that the clothes smelled and

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they smelled like bo and feet

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all the time was because those were the

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clothes i put on when i left

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realized that that was a huge clue and

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if i smelled my clothes

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sometimes it's you know mostly smelled

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like bo and feet like it had been in the

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dirty clothes hamper for too long or if

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that i was in when i was wearing those

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clothes it was affecting my clothes

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um so after that when i made that

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discovery that was pretty huge for me

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i had been writing down all my dreams

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i added that to it so then i started

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sort of obsessively

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and methodically looking at everything

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so before i went to sleep i would find

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that i would feel like i was getting hit

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by a dart

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or a mosquito you know like a mosquito

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biting you

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and and i realized that that was the

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tool they used to make me fall asleep

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right away

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because a lot of times i could not stay

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awake uh for very long after hitting one

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of those sleep darts

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unless i really really tried really hard

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i could stay awake and then they'd hit

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me again

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with another sleep dart so um

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and if they hit me too many times i

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would stay awake a really long time

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maybe

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three hours and then finally i would

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fall asleep

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so i just started you know noticing all

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these things

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i started noticing that um you know

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sometimes i would hear things

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sometimes i would see things against my

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windows

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so i just wrote everything down if

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planes went over my

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house you know at strange times i wrote

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that down

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one of the things i noticed with the

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sixth and the seventh of the month every

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month

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no matter where i was even if i left

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town these things i would hear the low

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flying planes and then

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i would be taken um and i'd hear

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helicopters a lot of helicopters um

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so at that point i just started writing

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everything down

324
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and i started writing down my dreams now

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one of the things that was really

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important

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um was i also read everyone else's

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accounts

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because i felt like there were nuggets

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of information

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in all these other people's accounts

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that i could use in my

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situation so one of the things

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i read was a whitley strieber's book

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commune

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communion and one of the things he

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talked about which i thought was really

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fascinating

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because of course my memory is wiped

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every time

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and that's one of the problems that's

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why people you know can't tell their

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story

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because they don't remember anything and

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you know

346
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that's a problem so one of the things i

347
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read in whitley street's book was about

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screen memories and that is a thing that

349
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you hear about when you hear about

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hypnotic regression

351
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but in my case i was realizing that

352
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there was a way

353
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that i could get behind the screen

354
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memory

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created by us our bodies

356
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our brains create it for us and it's to

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help us get through

358
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whatever trauma we've been going through

359
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but instead of

360
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making it about trauma it makes it about

361
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something common

362
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you know like um if you've lost your

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purse or your wallet

364
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and you're stressed um if you have a

365
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i found that if i had a stress dream

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that meant there was some trauma behind

367
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the dream and so i

368
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was really happy to find that

369
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information because that meant i could

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find out what went on

371
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behind the dream that i had there was a

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screen memory

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and before the memory wipe um

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so in the meantime and of course this

375
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story is not

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linear kind of goes all over the place

377
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but while i was still with my medium

378
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at that time i was um studying healing

379
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and uh so i was t

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i was learning um angelic healing and

381
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all kinds of healing

382
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and uh since i'm kind of a type a

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personality kind of an all-in

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um i started buying books on healing

385
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because thinking

386
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if i get more experiences healing who

387
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knows where i can go i can go in this

388
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direction in that direction

389
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and uh on amazon i came across a book by

390
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stuart swardlow

391
00:14:04,150 --> 00:14:02,480
and he wrote about you know a healing

392
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handbook i read it you know it was a

393
00:14:07,910 --> 00:14:04,959
little bit

394
00:14:09,829 --> 00:14:07,920
kind of esoteric but i bought all of his

395
00:14:11,509 --> 00:14:09,839
books that mentioned healing

396
00:14:13,670 --> 00:14:11,519
and one of them was called healing

397
00:14:16,550 --> 00:14:13,680
archetypes and symbols

398
00:14:17,430 --> 00:14:16,560
and actually i have it right here this

399
00:14:20,629 --> 00:14:17,440
is it

400
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and um so i bought it and first i read

401
00:14:23,350 --> 00:14:21,199
it

402
00:14:25,110 --> 00:14:23,360
and i thought to myself oh my gosh this

403
00:14:26,710 --> 00:14:25,120
is way over my head i don't think i'll

404
00:14:29,829 --> 00:14:26,720
ever figure this out

405
00:14:33,110 --> 00:14:29,839
and i also found this one called

406
00:14:35,110 --> 00:14:33,120
hyperspace helper and so um

407
00:14:36,870 --> 00:14:35,120
i read both of these and i thought well

408
00:14:37,910 --> 00:14:36,880
this is so over my head i'm just gonna

409
00:14:41,670 --> 00:14:37,920
have to wait until i

410
00:14:44,710 --> 00:14:41,680
figure this out a little bit more um

411
00:14:48,629 --> 00:14:44,720
but at the same time i was you know

412
00:14:51,670 --> 00:14:48,639
dealing with this these et situations

413
00:14:51,990 --> 00:14:51,680
and um you know so i needed something

414
00:14:53,750 --> 00:14:52,000
but

415
00:14:56,069 --> 00:14:53,760
at that time it was just too much too

416
00:14:59,350 --> 00:14:56,079
much for me um

417
00:15:03,189 --> 00:14:59,360
but then i i was uh i

418
00:15:05,829 --> 00:15:03,199
i actually saw a couple of e.t and um

419
00:15:06,790 --> 00:15:05,839
and here's the story so i got cut a cut

420
00:15:09,910 --> 00:15:06,800
on my um

421
00:15:11,910 --> 00:15:09,920
we have tall recycling bins in arizona i

422
00:15:13,350 --> 00:15:11,920
was walking backwards and i fell over

423
00:15:15,269 --> 00:15:13,360
something and i got to cut i'm at the

424
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top of my right knee

425
00:15:18,790 --> 00:15:18,240
and so i you know throbbed you know cuts

426
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are they

427
00:15:22,310 --> 00:15:20,880
if they're thick if they're deep they

428
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throb for a while

429
00:15:25,509 --> 00:15:24,000
uh so mine was throbbing and then

430
00:15:26,069 --> 00:15:25,519
eventually i went to bed it stopped

431
00:15:29,030 --> 00:15:26,079
throbbing

432
00:15:30,550 --> 00:15:29,040
was in bed and i thought that was so

433
00:15:32,870 --> 00:15:30,560
strange

434
00:15:34,790 --> 00:15:32,880
but i looked up and there was a praying

435
00:15:38,150 --> 00:15:34,800
mantis next to my bed

436
00:15:41,189 --> 00:15:38,160
begging me to let her take me to my ship

437
00:15:43,189 --> 00:15:41,199
her ship and um saying

438
00:15:45,110 --> 00:15:43,199
um you know please let me fix your leg

439
00:15:45,910 --> 00:15:45,120
and she was doing this telepathically

440
00:15:53,030 --> 00:15:45,920
and she was

441
00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:53,040
i was just kind of mesmerized by it

442
00:15:57,350 --> 00:15:54,000
because i really

443
00:16:00,629 --> 00:15:57,360
never expected to see a praying mantis

444
00:16:01,509 --> 00:16:00,639
next to my bed and of all the things i

445
00:16:05,189 --> 00:16:01,519
had ever heard

446
00:16:06,389 --> 00:16:05,199
about abduction i had never heard of any

447
00:16:09,749 --> 00:16:06,399
praying mantises

448
00:16:13,269 --> 00:16:09,759
i'd only heard of grays so at that time

449
00:16:15,350 --> 00:16:13,279
i you know i kind of felt weird i mean i

450
00:16:17,829 --> 00:16:15,360
didn't feel like i couldn't move

451
00:16:19,910 --> 00:16:17,839
like some people do i just felt so

452
00:16:20,230 --> 00:16:19,920
fascinated i couldn't tear my eyes away

453
00:16:22,870 --> 00:16:20,240
from

454
00:16:23,829 --> 00:16:22,880
it and i didn't want to move because i

455
00:16:27,110 --> 00:16:23,839
wanted to con

456
00:16:30,150 --> 00:16:27,120
continue staring at it um

457
00:16:32,150 --> 00:16:30,160
so um so but i was concerned because

458
00:16:33,829 --> 00:16:32,160
while she gave me gave off this kind of

459
00:16:36,870 --> 00:16:33,839
motherly figure

460
00:16:37,990 --> 00:16:36,880
um she wanted me to take wanted to take

461
00:16:40,870 --> 00:16:38,000
me to her shift

462
00:16:41,749 --> 00:16:40,880
and i was violently opposed to that so i

463
00:16:44,550 --> 00:16:41,759
kept saying no

464
00:16:45,829 --> 00:16:44,560
no no i'm sorry i can't go i can't go

465
00:16:48,389 --> 00:16:45,839
i'm not gonna go

466
00:16:49,670 --> 00:16:48,399
um and she was saying well what if the

467
00:16:51,990 --> 00:16:49,680
bad guys get you

468
00:16:53,910 --> 00:16:52,000
you know well will you let me take you

469
00:16:56,150 --> 00:16:53,920
then i was like well

470
00:16:57,350 --> 00:16:56,160
i think i said yes and then i fell

471
00:17:01,110 --> 00:16:57,360
asleep

472
00:17:03,430 --> 00:17:01,120
um and also i had another

473
00:17:06,949 --> 00:17:03,440
which i felt like was a male figure

474
00:17:10,309 --> 00:17:06,959
another praying mantis come into my room

475
00:17:11,750 --> 00:17:10,319
he he used either a spoon or a tuning

476
00:17:14,789 --> 00:17:11,760
fork which really hurt and

477
00:17:16,829 --> 00:17:14,799
smacked me on my lady parts and then he

478
00:17:18,150 --> 00:17:16,839
just pointed at me and i fell asleep

479
00:17:21,510 --> 00:17:18,160
immediately

480
00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:21,520
so having those two things

481
00:17:25,909 --> 00:17:23,760
after a while i was extremely motivated

482
00:17:28,230 --> 00:17:25,919
to find out what was happening to me

483
00:17:29,270 --> 00:17:28,240
for the memory wipe before the memory

484
00:17:31,750 --> 00:17:29,280
wipe

485
00:17:32,630 --> 00:17:31,760
so i kept asking my spirit guides to

486
00:17:39,270 --> 00:17:32,640
please help me

487
00:17:42,470 --> 00:17:39,280
this because i had searched in vain

488
00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:42,480
and i had also my medium would you know

489
00:17:47,270 --> 00:17:44,880
we tried everything and nothing worked

490
00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:47,280
and i was just getting really desperate

491
00:17:50,789 --> 00:17:49,760
um and you know they've pointed me back

492
00:17:53,270 --> 00:17:50,799
to those

493
00:17:55,029 --> 00:17:53,280
healing books that i found so esoteric

494
00:17:57,510 --> 00:17:55,039
the year before

495
00:17:58,950 --> 00:17:57,520
and it turns out that they were very

496
00:18:01,029 --> 00:17:58,960
very helpful

497
00:18:02,950 --> 00:18:01,039
um one of the things i and i did

498
00:18:05,590 --> 00:18:02,960
everything by trial and error so

499
00:18:06,470 --> 00:18:05,600
um that's but that's one of the reasons

500
00:18:08,710 --> 00:18:06,480
i wrote the book

501
00:18:10,070 --> 00:18:08,720
to save everyone else from having to do

502
00:18:11,830 --> 00:18:10,080
it too

503
00:18:13,590 --> 00:18:11,840
if you want that but if you don't you

504
00:18:15,510 --> 00:18:13,600
know then that's up to you

505
00:18:16,870 --> 00:18:15,520
but i started reading the hyperspace

506
00:18:20,549 --> 00:18:16,880
helper which i

507
00:18:23,669 --> 00:18:20,559
showed you earlier and they have some

508
00:18:25,510 --> 00:18:23,679
um exercises in it one of the exercises

509
00:18:27,750 --> 00:18:25,520
is called the green spiral staircase

510
00:18:29,510 --> 00:18:27,760
and basically what you do is you have

511
00:18:30,070 --> 00:18:29,520
your dream your scream memory in your

512
00:18:31,909 --> 00:18:30,080
mind

513
00:18:33,909 --> 00:18:31,919
as you walk down a screen spiral

514
00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:33,919
staircase

515
00:18:39,590 --> 00:18:36,960
feel compelled to walk step

516
00:18:41,510 --> 00:18:39,600
off a screen will be in front of you and

517
00:18:42,390 --> 00:18:41,520
you'll be watching yourself as if you're

518
00:18:44,070 --> 00:18:42,400
in a movie

519
00:18:45,669 --> 00:18:44,080
you're not experiencing it you're not

520
00:18:48,150 --> 00:18:45,679
looking at it through your own eyes

521
00:18:49,350 --> 00:18:48,160
you're actually watching yourself go

522
00:18:50,870 --> 00:18:49,360
through things

523
00:18:53,190 --> 00:18:50,880
and you might see all kinds of crazy

524
00:18:57,029 --> 00:18:53,200
things

525
00:19:00,870 --> 00:18:57,039
then you write it all down

526
00:19:03,669 --> 00:19:00,880
and um and then you have a better idea

527
00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:03,679
of what's happening to you every night

528
00:19:07,350 --> 00:19:05,840
um so that's why when you get up make

529
00:19:10,070 --> 00:19:07,360
sure you write down all your dreams as

530
00:19:11,430 --> 00:19:10,080
quickly as possible because your dreams

531
00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:11,440
are kind of like smoke and they'll

532
00:19:15,430 --> 00:19:13,760
disappear right away you know or

533
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:15,440
sometimes i'll lay back down on my bed

534
00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:18,000
and i'll be able to remember parts of it

535
00:19:21,590 --> 00:19:19,679
but the intricate details i can't

536
00:19:22,630 --> 00:19:21,600
remember or you know if i have six

537
00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:22,640
streams

538
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:25,840
i try to get them all down um the al the

539
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:26,880
other book

540
00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:30,080
is the healing archetype and symbols um

541
00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:30,480
had

542
00:19:34,549 --> 00:19:31,840
a couple of things in it called the

543
00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:34,559
brown x which is when you brown x out

544
00:19:38,950 --> 00:19:37,120
all unnecessary negativity in your life

545
00:19:39,270 --> 00:19:38,960
and also the ultimate protection where

546
00:19:46,150 --> 00:19:39,280
you

547
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:46,160
i started using this and using the green

548
00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:49,360
spiral staircase going through

549
00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:52,320
um this you know trial and error trying

550
00:19:56,310 --> 00:19:54,400
to figure out what would work for me

551
00:19:58,549 --> 00:19:56,320
and uh when i used the green spiraled

552
00:20:00,470 --> 00:19:58,559
staircase i would use the brown x

553
00:20:02,230 --> 00:20:00,480
to brown x out all unnecessary

554
00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:02,240
negativity in my life

555
00:20:06,950 --> 00:20:04,480
and anything negative that i saw i brown

556
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:06,960
extra doubt and um

557
00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:09,120
so i did that over and over and i

558
00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:10,880
started seeing a pattern i started

559
00:20:13,669 --> 00:20:11,600
seeing

560
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:13,679
the things started disappearing you know

561
00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:15,200
it felt like things

562
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:18,960
the same ets weren't showing up uh in my

563
00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:22,720
screen memory or behind them and so

564
00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:26,400
i continued and my um

565
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:29,760
my medium kept saying

566
00:20:32,630 --> 00:20:30,960
i don't think you're doing something

567
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:32,640
right i think you need to go back and

568
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:34,480
start over and work harder and

569
00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:37,679
that kind of thing but i felt like i was

570
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:40,559
but i went to one of her angelic message

571
00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:41,840
nights and she said that

572
00:20:46,149 --> 00:20:44,159
the angels said that i was leveling the

573
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:46,159
playing field

574
00:20:51,909 --> 00:20:49,440
and so i decided to um

575
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:51,919
you know continue because it was really

576
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:52,799
working for me

577
00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:55,200
and i could really see a difference um

578
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:57,120
now one of the things i would see

579
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:59,679
you know for instance i did did see some

580
00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:00,720
ships

581
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:03,360
um but not much you know you'd see a

582
00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:04,080
room

583
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:07,280
um i sometimes saw like these

584
00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:10,000
bluish energy looking beings that didn't

585
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:10,400
have an

586
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:14,320
outline but were people shaped

587
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:16,000
and sometimes they'd help me they pull

588
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:17,360
stuff out of my body

589
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:20,240
other times i saw spiders i saw tons of

590
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:21,600
spiders um

591
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:24,640
spiders and people suits i saw

592
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:27,520
very large hairy spiders and white

593
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:29,360
spiders with no hair

594
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:31,679
and a lot of beetles and it was just

595
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:32,960
very buggy which i was

596
00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:36,159
sort of surprised but um they

597
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:39,760
were also um you know putting me in

598
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:43,039
big water tanks and um

599
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:45,919
drowning me or pumping me full of fluid

600
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:46,640
um

601
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:49,679
so i saw a lot of interesting things i

602
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:50,799
also saw you know

603
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:54,240
like some sort of cross-cloning like

604
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:57,840
uh a cat with the spider legs but a

605
00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:01,200
cat head and stuff like that um

606
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:04,320
so all of this was going on um

607
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:07,600
i then was went

608
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:09,200
back to my medium and said you know

609
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:10,960
let's get together and

610
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:14,320
you know use these tools to um

611
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:16,080
you know get together and help other

612
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:17,760
abductees because i found these tools

613
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:19,440
that really worked and she didn't really

614
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:20,080
want to

615
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:23,039
because i think she just wanted to be

616
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:23,840
the teacher

617
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:26,000
and not the you know not the student i'm

618
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:27,440
not really sure

619
00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:29,440
um but anyway so i wrote this book

620
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:32,080
because i wanted to

621
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:34,720
give give the tools that i found tell

622
00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:35,120
them

623
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:37,280
everyone about the stuart sword low to

624
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:40,000
tools and then sort of have a handbook

625
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:42,400
of tru you know the things that i like a

626
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:43,120
map

627
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:45,760
that you can use that i did or you can

628
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:47,440
create your own you don't need to have

629
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:48,240
my map

630
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:51,360
um but it's sort of like a handbook to

631
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:54,799
sort through the situations um

632
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:57,840
in the back of the book or in the sort

633
00:23:02,950 --> 00:22:58,880
of after

634
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:02,960
the middle i have my um

635
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:06,720
my journal and i write down everything

636
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:08,799
now i call this um

637
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:11,039
i call the green spiral scarecase

638
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:13,919
basically a remote view of your own mind

639
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:16,240
because you're looking at your dreams

640
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:18,080
and your memories and your

641
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:19,520
you know everything else and you're

642
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:22,559
looking at it in a different way

643
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:24,720
and so that's what i call a remote

644
00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:26,720
viewing your own mind

645
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:28,640
some people that i've talked to on

646
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,159
different podcasts

647
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:32,080
i've challenged them to try the green

648
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:33,760
spiral staircase for

649
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:36,480
different things one of the things is

650
00:23:40,510 --> 00:23:37,360
anxiety

651
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:40,520
because i found that i'm a

652
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:42,320
procrastinator sometimes

653
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:44,320
and i found out that it was related to

654
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:45,360
anxiety

655
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:46,799
and i never thought of myself as an

656
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:49,120
anxious person but i do have

657
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:52,320
some quirky things that i do

658
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:54,400
but procrastination is one of them and i

659
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:55,600
thought you know what this would be a

660
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:57,039
really great way of

661
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,520
learning you know figuring out what is

662
00:24:02,390 --> 00:24:01,440
behind if you can find out what's behind

663
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:02,400
your dreams

664
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:04,080
you can also find out what's behind your

665
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:06,480
phobias your anxieties

666
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:09,360
um so i'm uh less i have to say that

667
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:10,960
after drilling down

668
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:15,440
from and procrastination and find out

669
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:17,840
that it's anxiety related and then

670
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:19,200
finding out behind that

671
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:21,360
because keep looking behind it was

672
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:23,279
related to fear of failure

673
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,600
and you know after a while um you just

674
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:27,360
get to nothing and then that feeling is

675
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:28,000
gone

676
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:30,320
so that's one thing i found the same

677
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:33,200
with claustrophobia um i've

678
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:36,400
gone to um you know figured out that i

679
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:38,640
was claustrophobic after the age of 40

680
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:40,960
and um i couldn't figure out why it

681
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:42,480
didn't make sense to me

682
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:45,760
so you know again i drilled down

683
00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:47,200
looking at all these things using the

684
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:49,120
green spiral staircase

685
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:51,520
to look at what was behind my

686
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:53,600
claustrophobia and i found out it was

687
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:54,159
fear

688
00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:55,919
and then it was darkness and then it was

689
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:57,279
a black box

690
00:25:01,590 --> 00:24:58,960
i mean it was all these different things

691
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:01,600
and as soon as i got to the end

692
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:04,240
now i can i'm not claustrophobic anymore

693
00:25:07,029 --> 00:25:06,240
so i think this is a very very useful

694
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:07,039
thing

695
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:10,159
not just for ets but why not

696
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:12,880
um if you want to use it that way and

697
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:13,600
this book

698
00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:16,080
the healing archetype and symbols has

699
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:17,840
quite a few other things in it

700
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:20,080
and i highly recommend everybody use

701
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:22,400
them as much as possible

702
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:26,640
um uh then okay at the end

703
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:29,919
one of the times i did go to um i talked

704
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:31,520
to someone at mufon

705
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:34,480
and um they told me about this

706
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:35,840
experiencer

707
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:39,039
group that they have through mufon and i

708
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:40,400
went to it and i got to be with my

709
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:41,120
people

710
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:43,039
because you know what this is a very

711
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:45,200
lonely and isolating thing to have

712
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:45,760
happen

713
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:48,240
it's scary everybody has different

714
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:50,320
stories and it's really hard it's really

715
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:52,159
hard to figure out where everything fits

716
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,120
in

717
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:55,679
um and so it's good to have a support

718
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:57,200
group because you can't really talk

719
00:26:02,230 --> 00:25:59,120
about this with regular people

720
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,240
when they find out or if you mention it

721
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:04,159
in passing or whatever you can just sort

722
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:05,440
of feel them

723
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:09,039
slowly move away from you and so it's

724
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:10,000
really hard to talk

725
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:11,760
about it's sort of i think it's the last

726
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:13,360
taboo subject

727
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:16,159
so everyone should join groups there's a

728
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:17,840
group called the opus network

729
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:21,279
and it's for people like us uh to

730
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:23,520
you know get be along and tell each

731
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:25,360
other our crazy stories and

732
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:28,640
you know and not be judged um

733
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:31,520
also i was reading terry lovelace's book

734
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:33,440
and this is how i even came to write a

735
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:34,480
book

736
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:37,600
an

737
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:43,039
before but i thought wow that's really

738
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:44,720
interesting so i read his book

739
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:46,159
and while i was reading his book i kept

740
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:48,000
seeing ghosts

741
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:50,400
walking around my house but i felt

742
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:52,000
compelled to write to him

743
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:54,080
and i wrote to him and said you know i'm

744
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:56,240
so proud of you you're so brave

745
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:58,960
and uh to tell your story and to write a

746
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:00,159
book about it

747
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:02,799
and he encouraged me to write my book

748
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:03,919
and so

749
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:06,080
um you know at first i just felt

750
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:08,080
extremely like why why what

751
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:09,679
you know what would i do how would i

752
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:11,120
write this down

753
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:14,320
and um then i did obviously but

754
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:16,640
uh i did the whole writer thing where

755
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:17,760
you get to the eighth

756
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:21,360
eighth page and you go what now um

757
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:24,080
but i highly recommend people write

758
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:25,600
their books and tell their stories

759
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:26,159
because

760
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:28,559
now that the media has finally caught on

761
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:30,960
to the fact that ets are real and so are

762
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:32,559
ufos

763
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:35,760
it's really important that everybody who

764
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:38,080
has an experience like this

765
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:41,360
you know feels more comfortable to tell

766
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:42,559
their story

767
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:44,320
i know it's hard it's getting going to

768
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:45,840
be easier

769
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:48,559
and easier but it's really really

770
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:49,679
important

771
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:52,159
and i told you know i told my story

772
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:53,440
because i wanted to help

773
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:56,159
other people and i wanted to find other

774
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:57,200
um

775
00:28:01,269 --> 00:28:00,000
people like me because one of the things

776
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:01,279
i've found is that there are

777
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:05,200
lots of contactees who enjoy being taken

778
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:08,000
but i cannot find other people like me

779
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:09,440
who are not enjoying it

780
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:11,360
and want it to stop and i know you're

781
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:12,720
out there

782
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:14,880
but i just haven't been able to find you

783
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:16,799
um

784
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:18,559
i've tried multiple ways and that's one

785
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:20,880
of the reasons i wrote the book

786
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:22,480
not to make money but to spread

787
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:24,320
information because

788
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:27,200
this is an important subject and it's

789
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:28,720
important the people that don't want it

790
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:29,440
to happen

791
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:32,559
to them you know can get some relief and

792
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:36,559
also become less desirable

793
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:39,360
to the et's and i think that's what i've

794
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:40,080
done

795
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:44,159
so you know i always uh encourage people

796
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:47,279
that um you know write books because

797
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:50,880
um it helps to get all your thoughts in

798
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:52,000
some form

799
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,399
and organized way so that now it can be

800
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:56,000
conveyed to somebody else

801
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:58,159
you know and what better way to do that

802
00:29:01,669 --> 00:29:00,399
than a book it's just unfortunate that

803
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:01,679
you know first people's minds

804
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:03,600
immediately jump to oh prophet it's like

805
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:04,159
no

806
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:07,679
here

807
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:10,399
tell stories and go back and forth and

808
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:12,000
you know jump all over the place but a

809
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:12,880
book is

810
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:14,720
better organized you know yeah and

811
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:16,480
that's the way i've always looked at it

812
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:17,200
you know and

813
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:18,799
i'm sure everyone else has the right to

814
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:20,799
look at it the other way but but

815
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:21,840
that's not the point of this

816
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:24,159
conversation now but uh i wanted to ask

817
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:25,919
you specifically about your

818
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:29,520
screen memories um what what particular

819
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:29,919
things

820
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:33,120
do you remember occurring that were

821
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:34,880
screen memories and what were you able

822
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:35,919
to kind of

823
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:39,440
um i would i guess dissolve

824
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:41,279
would that be right word to where you

825
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:42,480
see past it

826
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:45,520
and see what was actually going on um

827
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:48,559
well what you do when you use the green

828
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:50,799
spiral staircase you actually have

829
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:53,440
sorry i guess i forgot this in my steps

830
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:55,440
but you actually have the screen memory

831
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:56,799
in mind as you go

832
00:30:01,350 --> 00:30:00,320
down the stairway and then when you get

833
00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:01,360
to the uh

834
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:04,000
the stuff that you step off of the

835
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:04,559
screen

836
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:08,000
what was happening behind

837
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:11,039
it and so that's how you know

838
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:13,440
uh and then you write all that down um

839
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:14,640
while you're there

840
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:16,640
if you see a lot of negativity like i

841
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:17,679
saw you know

842
00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:20,640
i was usually in an operating room um

843
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:22,720
then i would use the brown x tool

844
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:25,919
to brown x that out um and you can say

845
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:27,679
it or you can use the brown axe

846
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:30,559
um either way but it's a specific color

847
00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:31,279
because um

848
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:34,399
steven swerdlow is very big on certain

849
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:38,399
colors so um you know you put a green

850
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:41,919
a medium green um color around your body

851
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:44,960
in order to help you remember and so in

852
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:46,880
the meat it's a medium brown axe

853
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:50,720
medium color and so you're basically

854
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:54,240
removing all unnecessary negativity

855
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:56,720
and so when you do that then it helps

856
00:31:05,029 --> 00:30:57,440
you

857
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:05,039
there are so many

858
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:08,320
ets and et groups um one of the groups

859
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:10,080
kept poking me in the eye

860
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:12,480
and i actually didn't even write talk

861
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:13,360
about that

862
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:15,919
in the book except that it did happen

863
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:17,919
but that's a group that's really scary

864
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:20,159
and um i couldn't talk about in the book

865
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:21,039
because there was

866
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:22,559
they're always poking me in the eye and

867
00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:24,480
i didn't appreciate that so

868
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:27,279
i thought if i talk about this um who

869
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:28,640
knows what they'll do to me

870
00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:31,679
so i was too nervous to write about it

871
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:33,519
even though i did sneak some some

872
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:35,600
aspects of them inside the book

873
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:38,480
um here and there whenever i felt like

874
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:39,360
it was safe

875
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:42,240
um so basically you just keep doing that

876
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:43,679
and doing that and basically what's

877
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:45,760
happening is you're piecing together

878
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:48,880
all of your little uh stories

879
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:50,799
and eventually a pic kind of a picture

880
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:52,880
emerges it's like for me i was

881
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:55,279
constantly in operating rooms i was

882
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:58,159
you know they would have my eyeballs out

883
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:00,000
on a table and they were doing things

884
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:02,880
to it sometimes they cut me down the

885
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:03,679
middle

886
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:06,080
there are quite a few scenes of me being

887
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:06,960
having my

888
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:10,080
eggs having them

889
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:12,640
maturing me and then having my eggs

890
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:14,080
removed and then

891
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:17,120
regressing me back to a certain age you

892
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:18,640
know i'm not sure what all of these

893
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:20,320
things are completely about but you just

894
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:22,240
kind of get a better idea of what

895
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:23,120
they're doing

896
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,480
while you're not conscious of it

897
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:28,720
and so or you know if they knock you out

898
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:30,159
then you'll see the knockout but then

899
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:30,480
you

900
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:33,919
things happened

901
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:36,480
so it's just a way of determining this

902
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:37,519
huge puzzle

903
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:39,279
of what in the heck is happening to me

904
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:41,679
when i leave you know and do i get up

905
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:42,320
and leave

906
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:45,600
um you know do i um how do they get me

907
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:46,640
out of the bed

908
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:48,799
you know and sometimes you might not be

909
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:50,559
able to figure that out right away

910
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:53,760
i was um after a while realizing that it

911
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:56,480
was some sort of programming tool

912
00:33:01,830 --> 00:32:59,600
which may sound far-fetched but it

913
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:01,840
seems to me that you know there's some

914
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:04,080
sort of hypnosis used

915
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:07,679
and so you know you know some code word

916
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:08,799
or a tone

917
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:12,159
or a sound you know causes me to get up

918
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:12,880
and

919
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,240
leave

920
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:18,320
so you know these kind of things will

921
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:19,360
just help you sort

922
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:21,519
out these questions you have about

923
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:22,559
yourself

924
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:24,320
what's really going on and so that

925
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:25,679
eventually you'll have some sort of

926
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:26,960
story

927
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:28,880
and i think that's very useful for

928
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:31,360
people who are really curious and really

929
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:33,039
want to know but the important thing

930
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:35,120
about the green spiral staircase which i

931
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:36,640
think is important for people to know

932
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:37,440
now

933
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:39,760
is it gives you the gist not every gory

934
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:40,880
detail

935
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:43,360
not too long it'll just show you the

936
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:45,760
gist of what you need to know right now

937
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:48,799
and um i i think that's very helpful you

938
00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:50,640
know you don't want to relive it or

939
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:53,919
anything you just want to know the

940
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:57,760
important parts and then move on so

941
00:34:01,909 --> 00:33:59,919
well lisa if it's if it's not too

942
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:01,919
troubling would it be possible for you

943
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:03,279
to call some of the

944
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:05,440
events that you had and if not i

945
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:07,039
understand

946
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,159
um like um while you were

947
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:12,480
you have doctor during during specific

948
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:13,520
times

949
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:17,200
um let's see well i i found that a lot

950
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:19,520
of times i went to antarctica

951
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:22,960
and i would be underwater so there would

952
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:24,399
be an underwater

953
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:27,520
um building or something like that

954
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:30,560
and i recall i would call it jelly

955
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:31,520
filled

956
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,839
it was sort of like i don't know sort of

957
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:35,520
like a thick bubble

958
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:38,159
uh or kind of jelly like kind of

959
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,399
operating room and that's where i'd be

960
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:42,159
and it would be you know the operating

961
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:44,240
room was institution green and everybody

962
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:45,280
was wearing green

963
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:48,639
scrubs with white masks on so a lot of

964
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:50,720
times i couldn't see the faces

965
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:53,040
or the faces would just not be available

966
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:54,879
to me and i didn't know how they did

967
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:55,200
that

968
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:57,680
i do think they did it through hypnosis

969
00:35:03,829 --> 00:34:58,320
um

970
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:03,839
where i'd be a little girl and i would

971
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:05,839
have there would be an operating room

972
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:07,680
and then a classroom right next to each

973
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:09,119
other and

974
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:12,320
um it was like they were you know

975
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:15,599
teaching children certain things

976
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:18,640
or trying to get some sort of um

977
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:21,920
response out of them um and one of the

978
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:24,480
little kids said just go someplace else

979
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:27,680
don't be there you know and so

980
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:29,760
um you know i i don't really know

981
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:31,839
exactly what that means but i felt like

982
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:34,800
it was extremely stressful and fearful

983
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:38,560
um uh there would be uh tons of

984
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:41,760
stream or screen memories with

985
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:43,200
behind the screen memory there would be

986
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:45,520
tons of scenes where i'd been

987
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:47,599
be in this underground i called it a

988
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:48,560
torture

989
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:55,200
buildings like barracks

990
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:57,200
and they were brown and they would have

991
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,280
brown hallways everything was brown

992
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:01,440
uh kind of a medium brown or a darkish

993
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:02,320
brown

994
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:04,960
so we'd have like thin bunks with i

995
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:06,720
would be with little other little kids

996
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:09,280
and um you know we would just be

997
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:10,640
basically tortured

998
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:14,320
or not treated well you know i actually

999
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:15,119
have

1000
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:17,200
and i i'm still trying to figure out

1001
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:18,480
where these came from

1002
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:21,200
and what that means but i actually have

1003
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:22,320
indentations

1004
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:26,079
in the back of my head and i i did see

1005
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:28,640
once where i was being drilled in the

1006
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:30,880
head with a drill

1007
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:34,000
and like a hole being poked in my head

1008
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,520
um and so uh you know

1009
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:39,599
that kind of explains the indentations

1010
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:41,599
i'm not sure if that's exactly what

1011
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:43,440
happened or maybe that was just part of

1012
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:45,280
my little kid mind

1013
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:48,720
but i do have pretty deep indentations

1014
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:50,000
in the back of my head

1015
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,760
and my hair covers them so nobody can

1016
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:53,520
ever see them you know

1017
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:56,480
but um i also you know i never had

1018
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:57,040
children

1019
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:58,880
and so i don't know if that's why i

1020
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:00,960
didn't have um

1021
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:06,079
you know that urge to have children and

1022
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:07,440
i always wondered why

1023
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:09,440
because you know when you're in your 30s

1024
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:10,960
and everybody's getting married having

1025
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:12,640
children you think to yourself

1026
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:16,079
why don't i feel like that you know um

1027
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:18,400
and i didn't think i was weird but you

1028
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:20,720
know i just found it odd that it

1029
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:23,119
didn't happen that way and it's probably

1030
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:25,680
because i didn't have any eggs anymore

1031
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:29,119
um so you know that was it i also like i

1032
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:30,160
said i was

1033
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:34,240
put under um i had lots of surgeries on

1034
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:35,200
my eyes

1035
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:37,359
and they seem to in particular interest

1036
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:38,640
to my eyes

1037
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:41,520
and they also would put me into big

1038
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:43,520
aquarium tanks

1039
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:46,320
to see if i could breathe underwater and

1040
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:47,040
i also

1041
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:51,040
saw a couple of myself so in other words

1042
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:55,280
i would see my own self and another self

1043
00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:58,320
that had gills and so

1044
00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:01,520
as if they were creating clones with

1045
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:03,440
gills like they had monkeyed with some

1046
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:05,119
of the dna

1047
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:07,200
and just stuff like that i mean tons of

1048
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,040
stuff like that where i just couldn't

1049
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:11,520
you know i couldn't believe it but then

1050
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:14,240
also all these bugs plus a lot of people

1051
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:16,960
like one of the um screen memories i

1052
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:19,040
would look behind showed me in a hanger

1053
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:21,119
a huge hanger like an airplane hanger

1054
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:23,359
and there were beds everywhere

1055
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:26,880
and i was being attended to by

1056
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:30,000
people and you know

1057
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:32,320
i didn't get to see a lot of that or as

1058
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:34,880
me as a baby in a cage an electrified

1059
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:36,079
cage

1060
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:42,240
one of the things i saw was that there

1061
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:42,800
was

1062
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:47,200
to the gills with

1063
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:50,640
people in cages and they're moaning and

1064
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:51,359
crying

1065
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:55,200
and you know just in pain and anguish

1066
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:56,800
a lot of times it seems like they take

1067
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:58,720
the babies and do something to them and

1068
00:39:01,589 --> 00:38:59,359
then

1069
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:01,599
maybe bring them back just stuff like

1070
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:03,200
that it's just some of it is just pretty

1071
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:04,640
horrifying

1072
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:08,160
um but you know as a time goes by you'd

1073
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:08,880
kind of got

1074
00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:12,400
get kind of desensitized a little bit to

1075
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:13,599
it because

1076
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:15,359
you're trying to figure out your own

1077
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:16,960
situation and

1078
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:20,160
um and your mind just gives you

1079
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:22,720
you know like i said not not the

1080
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:23,920
horrible

1081
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:26,000
anguish and crying and all that and the

1082
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:27,119
pain

1083
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:29,200
but it shows you what what's actually

1084
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:30,560
happening to you

1085
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:33,760
and that's really important because

1086
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:35,920
um you get to figure out the puzzle of

1087
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:37,280
your life

1088
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:39,280
and it makes you rethink everything too

1089
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:41,040
because you know i didn't know about

1090
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:43,359
this whole egg business before but it's

1091
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:45,599
like yeah that kind of makes sense now

1092
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:48,960
you know um and the same with

1093
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:51,359
um you know almost everything you know

1094
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:52,640
when i was in my 30s

1095
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:56,240
i got a divorce and i was living alone

1096
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:58,720
and i was working two jobs and one of

1097
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:59,920
the things that would happen to me i'd

1098
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,560
have these

1099
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:02,240
horrible dreams where i was like

1100
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:03,920
sleepwalking

1101
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:05,680
and i don't even i don't remember the

1102
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:07,760
dream at all i just remember a black

1103
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:09,680
rectangle and that's what one of the

1104
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:11,040
common themes in my

1105
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:13,520
uh life is that whenever i had a memory

1106
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:14,400
wipe i had

1107
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:17,839
a black rectangle that was the

1108
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:20,319
i guess the way my brain associated a

1109
00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:21,680
memory wipe with it

1110
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:23,920
so when i was in my 30s i find myself

1111
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:25,680
running down my hallway

1112
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:28,720
i would find myself peering into my

1113
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:30,640
closet sort of crouched on the side of

1114
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:31,920
my bed

1115
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:34,960
um i just i sometimes talking to people

1116
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:36,880
that were in my closet and just stuff

1117
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:38,720
weird stuff like that

1118
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:41,680
and so it makes now that i know this i

1119
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:42,240
could say

1120
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:45,280
hmm you know that's probably what was

1121
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:46,319
happening

1122
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:49,119
um i did actually eventually um look at

1123
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:49,680
the

1124
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:52,800
um

1125
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:55,359
at the black rectangle and i found out

1126
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:56,160
it was

1127
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:58,240
it had trigger words of fear and

1128
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:00,319
learning so

1129
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:04,000
i i don't know if that reinforced um

1130
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:07,520
you know fear every the word fear

1131
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:10,000
reinforce the memory wipe or or not i'm

1132
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:11,200
not really sure

1133
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:12,880
and i i want you to tell you that i

1134
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:14,319
don't have all the answers

1135
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:17,680
i'm looking at my own self i'm trying to

1136
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:18,960
discover

1137
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:22,319
what's happening to me and um

1138
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:23,839
but that doesn't mean that's happening

1139
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:25,839
to you you know

1140
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:28,000
we're all just looking you know looking

1141
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:29,280
for the answers and

1142
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:31,440
i i'm still actually i'm still fighting

1143
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:33,280
my um

1144
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:35,520
et's um i'm really close i think to

1145
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:36,480
being finished

1146
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:41,119
and um i so i do know this works

1147
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:44,720
so i urge everyone in this position to

1148
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:47,200
try it because you have nothing to lose

1149
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:48,079
i tried everything

1150
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:50,240
else and this is what i found that works

1151
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:52,000
and um

1152
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:54,000
you know feel free to try everything

1153
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:55,760
else too maybe something else will work

1154
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:56,720
for you if it doesn't

1155
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:58,640
make sure you try this because it does

1156
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:00,560
really work

1157
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:03,680
one other thing is that when i was uh 28

1158
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:06,800
i was married to this other guy and um

1159
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:09,119
i found that i would sit up screaming if

1160
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:10,319
he walked into my

1161
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:12,400
show our room and i had gone to bed

1162
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:13,920
first

1163
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:15,760
as soon as he walked in i would sit up

1164
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,200
and start screaming like somebody was

1165
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:19,119
killing me

1166
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:21,520
and i think that was my reaction to

1167
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:22,160
being

1168
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:25,680
you know taken by ets and um

1169
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:27,599
so i did you know and that's when i

1170
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:30,160
started having the black rectangle

1171
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:31,760
and i tried to find out what it was

1172
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:33,680
through therapy and couldn't figure it

1173
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:34,480
out and

1174
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:37,280
so but i know now octs so it's been

1175
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:39,359
happening for a very long time

1176
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:41,680
it's just that i've just been awakened

1177
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:43,280
to it

1178
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:45,520
so any of you who don't think you're

1179
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,240
being taken by tease i hope you aren't

1180
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:50,880
but you can find out by using these

1181
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:52,319
tools i found

1182
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:54,480
by stuart swordlow i did not create them

1183
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:56,720
but i i don't think he was using

1184
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:00,079
these things for et's but that's what

1185
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:02,880
i'm using it for and it really works

1186
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:06,319
so i urge you all to try it so lisa i

1187
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:06,880
have

1188
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:09,680
several questions actually so i'm trying

1189
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:10,560
to figure out

1190
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:13,599
can just so that i can get get

1191
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:16,160
get them off of my chest if i could just

1192
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:17,839
get like shorter answers

1193
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:20,400
back and then and then allow you to to i

1194
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:21,040
guess

1195
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:24,079
uh you know please ex expound on any of

1196
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:25,040
them in any

1197
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:26,480
length that you need to i just want to

1198
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:28,160
get off my chest i don't have a pad to

1199
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:28,880
write it down

1200
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:32,160
so okay right so the first one would be

1201
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:32,880
so

1202
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:34,640
when you were younger it was mainly

1203
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:36,560
different operations they were obviously

1204
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:38,240
disturbing to you but then it was when

1205
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:40,240
you got older that they then started

1206
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,000
um harvesting eggs is that what you're

1207
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:44,160
saying i believe so

1208
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:48,319
okay and so um then the other one was so

1209
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,839
the different the different events

1210
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:51,359
happening you're saying they were

1211
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:52,960
sometimes they were praying mantises

1212
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:54,319
sometimes they're grace and then you

1213
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:55,520
said sometimes

1214
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:58,560
actual humans when you say people yes

1215
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:01,119
okay i see so do you believe it could be

1216
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,800
maybe some kind of military thing

1217
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:04,400
because i don't know

1218
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:06,880
how familiar you you are with this and a

1219
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:08,560
lot of people talk that the military

1220
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:09,839
also has their

1221
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:12,640
hands in in this whole abduction

1222
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,359
scenario

1223
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:15,440
you know and sometimes they're a lot

1224
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:18,079
more sloppier than the aliens are

1225
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:22,240
yes that's true yes um with my

1226
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:25,119
childhood i think that i'm not really

1227
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:25,599
sure

1228
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:28,640
because i had really unusually

1229
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:30,880
experienced experiences which i couldn't

1230
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:31,359
really

1231
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:34,480
label like i had um

1232
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:37,599
i would have this white um once when i

1233
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:38,400
was uh

1234
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:42,079
10 i or 11 i had a white

1235
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:44,240
circle that looked kind of like a

1236
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:45,440
flashlight

1237
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:47,520
with a piece of white paper put in front

1238
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:50,400
of it so it didn't no

1239
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:52,160
torch came through it no light came

1240
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:53,920
through it it was just a white glowing

1241
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:54,960
circle

1242
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:57,920
and i had that in my bed when i was 11

1243
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:58,400
and

1244
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,680
i started screaming oh no oh no now

1245
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:03,359
my conscious mind did not know what that

1246
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:06,960
meant but some other part of my mind did

1247
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:10,160
and it was fear it was fear-based

1248
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:14,720
um i believed that my eggs were taken

1249
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:17,359
when i was younger and but i was age

1250
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:19,200
request to an older age

1251
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:22,240
so that they were mature or whatever

1252
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:26,800
and then um the eggs were taken

1253
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:28,880
or one by one they were taken and then i

1254
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:30,079
was regressed back

1255
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:33,520
to like age seven i'm not you know

1256
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:36,160
this is just like it's not a it's not a

1257
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:38,000
complete exact science so

1258
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:40,480
this is what i believe um but it's

1259
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:41,599
possible that

1260
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:45,200
they just waited until they were um

1261
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:47,520
they were mature and then took them all

1262
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:48,480
i don't know

1263
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:50,480
um it's kind of frustrating because you

1264
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:52,160
don't know why they think the way they

1265
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:53,119
think i mean

1266
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:55,280
did they just use one and then you know

1267
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:57,280
clone it a couple of times i don't know

1268
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:59,599
i don't know what they did with them

1269
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:00,720
although when i

1270
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:03,119
lived in california because i lived

1271
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:04,160
there the longest

1272
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:08,000
from when i was 13 until i was 49

1273
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:09,920
[Music]

1274
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:11,760
the one of the things that kept

1275
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,000
happening to me um

1276
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:16,640
pretty regularly like four times a month

1277
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:17,040
for

1278
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:19,760
a really long time i'd say 20 years

1279
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:21,520
people would come up to me and say hey

1280
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:23,839
you know what you look just like my

1281
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,599
sister's boyfriend's mother

1282
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:27,359
you know and stuff like that that

1283
00:46:32,309 --> 00:46:29,200
happened to me four times a month

1284
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:32,319
every month um and it happened so often

1285
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:34,240
that i just get really got used to it

1286
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:36,079
but when i moved to arizona never

1287
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:37,839
happens so i wondered

1288
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:40,400
then for a long time if it wasn't i had

1289
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:41,280
clones

1290
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:42,880
and they're in california but they're

1291
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:48,230
um so what was your other question what

1292
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:50,400
was one of your other questions

1293
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:53,119
uh but the other one was well i kind of

1294
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:54,880
mentioned you said uh did you

1295
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,960
just to clarify when you said people

1296
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:58,800
that you meant or humans but then i want

1297
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:59,119
to

1298
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:01,119
just expand on that a little bit more do

1299
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:02,240
you think then

1300
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,200
the well was any information that you

1301
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:07,200
perceive that they were working together

1302
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:09,760
with these different alien races or what

1303
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:11,440
was your impression

1304
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:14,000
yes i do yes all of them were working

1305
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:14,560
together

1306
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,560
especially the ones in antarctica seem

1307
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:18,720
to be working uh very closely

1308
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:22,160
there are is it seems like um a

1309
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:24,880
reptilian race working with other

1310
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:26,480
military people

1311
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:30,240
i saw a lot of insignias one of them was

1312
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:31,040
like a

1313
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:35,040
a leo symbol and with a line under it

1314
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:38,240
um i also saw you know like uh

1315
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:40,559
and this is from the humans that you saw

1316
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:41,839
do you mean the humans were carrying

1317
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:42,160
this

1318
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:44,319
insignia and he insignia on the aliens

1319
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:45,440
themselves

1320
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:48,480
yes yeah both so it was like they were

1321
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:50,240
all weren't wearing the same

1322
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:52,960
insignia um but also i found you're

1323
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:53,359
right

1324
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:56,400
i think that i was reading um

1325
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:59,359
what was it called my labs yeah that's

1326
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,079
another book

1327
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:02,400
because i read all the books as much as

1328
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:03,280
i can

1329
00:48:06,549 --> 00:48:05,760
um they are talk because one of the

1330
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:06,559
things i kept

1331
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:09,599
finding happening was that my tooth i

1332
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:11,040
brush my teeth at night and i wear a

1333
00:48:14,549 --> 00:48:12,559
night guard so i don't grind my teeth

1334
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:14,559
and i kept finding plaque on my teeth

1335
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:16,880
on it the next day and i couldn't figure

1336
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:18,480
out why that was happening and it turns

1337
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:20,400
out i think it was because i was being

1338
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:22,720
made to drink or eat something

1339
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:25,359
and um it's my understanding that that's

1340
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:28,000
one of the mo's of the military guys

1341
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:30,079
you know sometimes they give you drugs

1342
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:31,359
but sometimes they make you eat

1343
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:32,640
something and it could be because i

1344
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:33,359
refuse

1345
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,319
maybe i don't know um but yeah i kept

1346
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:38,240
finding plaque over and over

1347
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:41,359
and so i also think that they were

1348
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:44,720
you know poking me with you know

1349
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:46,880
shooting me with some sort of syringe

1350
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:48,160
over and over

1351
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:51,200
and so i'd find these marks on my body

1352
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:53,040
and i wouldn't know what where they came

1353
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:54,480
from you know bruising

1354
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:57,599
and all kinds of things you know

1355
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:59,040
i think i don't know if i sent you

1356
00:49:02,390 --> 00:49:01,359
pictures but i can send it after the

1357
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:02,400
show but

1358
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:03,760
oh yes please because this will be

1359
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:05,520
actually a perfect example to

1360
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,920
to do that and yeah i apologize i forgot

1361
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:09,040
to email you back

1362
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:10,800
that would be perfect during this time

1363
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:12,800
while i'm editing i can add the pictures

1364
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:13,280
in so

1365
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:15,680
okay sure so yeah there are a lot of

1366
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:17,280
really really weird things i mean some

1367
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:19,119
of them look like a stamp

1368
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:21,200
um i kept finding marks on my body that

1369
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:23,520
at first i thought were spider bites

1370
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:25,760
but because it was two you know two it

1371
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:27,040
looked like two bites you know like

1372
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:28,079
spiders are

1373
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:31,040
but it wasn't i finally determined that

1374
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,160
it was like a stun

1375
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:35,040
gun mark or a cattle prod that's what it

1376
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:35,599
was

1377
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:38,160
um and so um a lot of times i have

1378
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:40,319
syringe marks i'll have a giant bruise

1379
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:40,800
with

1380
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:44,160
five syringe marks it looks like and so

1381
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:45,760
i'm not really sure

1382
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:50,000
what kind of a thing tool is used

1383
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:52,800
to create those but yeah um i do believe

1384
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:53,760
that i was

1385
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:56,160
kept being taken after i was taken by

1386
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:56,800
the um

1387
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:59,440
ets i was maybe multiple times then i

1388
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:00,559
was taken by

1389
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:04,000
people by military people and they are

1390
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:05,119
very rough

1391
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:08,319
very obnoxious and i remember telling

1392
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,800
one of them he's like you know more your

1393
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:12,000
nose is not telling me

1394
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:15,280
you know and i said to him don't

1395
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:16,960
you don't you remember about the memory

1396
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:19,520
wipe you know get a clue

1397
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:21,280
you mean one of the people that was

1398
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:22,720
abducting you

1399
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:25,599
yes one of the military people wanted to

1400
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:26,000
know

1401
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:29,200
you're saying

1402
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:31,760
and you know probably drugged me or gave

1403
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:33,520
me truth serum but

1404
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:36,400
i had to rem tell him you know don't

1405
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:38,800
forget about the memory wipe

1406
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:41,119
because you know you need to get a clue

1407
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:42,559
we can't remember because

1408
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:46,000
they make sure we can't remember so

1409
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:49,200
um anyway that didn't endear me to um

1410
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:52,480
him and i um probably suffered

1411
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:55,520
um either from drugs or whatever um

1412
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:58,559
so yeah i do think that the people there

1413
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:00,640
are people working with certain groups

1414
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:03,680
and especially in antarctica i think

1415
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:05,119
there are multiple

1416
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:08,240
people working with the et groups

1417
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:10,319
there must be you know antarctica is

1418
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:12,559
like the last frontier right because

1419
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:14,240
it's fine it's finally starting to melt

1420
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:15,200
a little

1421
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:17,119
and i think that there's tons of things

1422
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:18,720
going on there that we don't even know

1423
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:19,200
about

1424
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:22,319
so that's where um they were working

1425
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:23,200
with

1426
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:25,520
i think the draco i think or the

1427
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:26,880
reptilian race

1428
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,880
um and uh but they also had a lot of

1429
00:51:35,589 --> 00:51:32,480
spiders and a lot of uh

1430
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:35,599
you know other other things beetles

1431
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:37,920
and spiders is mostly what i would see

1432
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:40,559
luckily i'm not afraid of spiders but

1433
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:43,280
now when you say a lot of spiders or i

1434
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:43,599
said

1435
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:46,319
insectoids in general so are you saying

1436
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:47,520
there would be

1437
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:50,559
like the size of a human body or

1438
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:52,720
or human size or whether they're smaller

1439
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:55,520
or what i'm saying is uh can you clarify

1440
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:58,319
are they like more intelligent to where

1441
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:58,720
they're

1442
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:00,640
doing some kind of task or you mean

1443
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:03,040
they're just insects on the wall

1444
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:04,880
no i mean that they are actually

1445
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:06,960
physically doing things to me

1446
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:10,160
and they're larger and uh intelligent

1447
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:12,400
yeah so the insectoids i guess as you

1448
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:13,520
would call them

1449
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:16,800
um yeah the praying mantis

1450
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:19,119
beetles they're standing on two legs

1451
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:20,079
sometimes they have

1452
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:23,359
wings and um other times it's just

1453
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:25,359
very large spiders sometimes they

1454
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:26,800
actually act like they're

1455
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:29,359
talking you know they put one of the

1456
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:30,240
scenes i saw

1457
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:32,559
was they put them put on a people suit

1458
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:33,440
as i call it

1459
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:36,079
sort of like a zip up people suit and

1460
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:37,440
that way they could pretend to be a

1461
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:38,640
person

1462
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:40,480
but and then also try to move their

1463
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:41,760
mouth to pretend like they were talking

1464
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:43,280
to me when they were use really using

1465
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:44,480
telepathy

1466
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:46,480
so that's a couple of things that i saw

1467
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:48,880
and um you know

1468
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:52,319
i imagine i was very frightened at the

1469
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:53,520
time but yeah i think

1470
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:55,760
there's so many people that are involved

1471
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:58,079
in this actual humans

1472
00:53:01,910 --> 00:53:00,240
and then there's the other you know

1473
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:01,920
insectoids or whatever

1474
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:04,559
and the reptilians so i do think that

1475
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:05,760
they're all involved

1476
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:09,760
and um i don't think that people realize

1477
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:10,640
that

1478
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:14,400
don't know if they're

1479
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:16,800
trying to create something or if they're

1480
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:17,520
like

1481
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:19,920
i've heard of super soldiers and stuff

1482
00:53:22,750 --> 00:53:20,960
like that

1483
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:22,760
or if they're just doing everything

1484
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:25,200
experimentation

1485
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:27,680
because there was a lot of talk about

1486
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:30,160
nazi scientists going to antarctica

1487
00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:33,280
and just doing heinous experiments on

1488
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:35,119
people on humans

1489
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:36,880
and so i think that there is some of

1490
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:38,720
that going on because it doesn't make

1491
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:39,280
sense

1492
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:41,599
you know all the other stuff about you

1493
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:43,680
know they're just learning about us

1494
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:45,359
they're trying to help our race

1495
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:47,520
you know the greys are you know like

1496
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:50,000
little robots you know

1497
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:53,440
so you know how long do you need to do

1498
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:53,760
this

1499
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:56,880
you know i'm almost 60 and i don't think

1500
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:00,480
i need to continuously be

1501
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:03,119
experimented on i mean what more do you

1502
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:03,680
need

1503
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:06,640
of my body right so i just think that

1504
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:07,839
there's nothing as

1505
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:10,000
it seems and that's what my spirit

1506
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:11,680
guides told me nothing is as

1507
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:14,720
as it seems so i'm

1508
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:16,640
you know still trying to figure out what

1509
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:19,040
are they really doing i mean this is

1510
00:54:22,829 --> 00:54:21,359
what i've seen but what's really behind

1511
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:22,839
all that

1512
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:25,680
so right well

1513
00:54:29,109 --> 00:54:27,760
um i'm sorry to hear that you know

1514
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:29,119
because that must be very difficult

1515
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:30,079
trying to

1516
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:32,400
have a have a life and then having to

1517
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:34,240
deal with all these things that

1518
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:37,520
you can't really exactly go to

1519
00:54:41,589 --> 00:54:39,680
your next-door neighbor like hey can i

1520
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:41,599
talk to you

1521
00:54:44,950 --> 00:54:44,000
um you know probably a close friend you

1522
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:44,960
know but

1523
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:48,799
um so what you know i i apologize if i

1524
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:50,480
keep going back to because uh you know

1525
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:51,280
to this

1526
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:53,040
certain questions because i just want to

1527
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:54,640
get more clarification

1528
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:56,240
information because i find it

1529
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:58,240
interesting uh regarding

1530
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:01,520
the the so

1531
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:03,599
obviously you're not gonna you know

1532
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:05,119
while you're going through what you're

1533
00:55:08,470 --> 00:55:06,720
going through you're not going to be so

1534
00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:08,480
analytical about things about

1535
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:10,000
oh well where are you from i wonder

1536
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:11,599
which branch you are you know things

1537
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:12,319
like that

1538
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:15,760
but by whatever circumstance

1539
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:17,280
did you ever come across some

1540
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:19,280
information that told you were they

1541
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:20,000
americans

1542
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:23,280
were they you know some kind of just off

1543
00:55:26,789 --> 00:55:25,119
group that doesn't necessarily belong to

1544
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:26,799
any particular country

1545
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:29,599
you know when it comes to the human part

1546
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:31,440
that's an interesting question

1547
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:34,480
um no i didn't i mean sometimes i would

1548
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:35,359
hear that they

1549
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:38,400
sounded like americans and um

1550
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:41,359
you know you know spoke english

1551
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:43,040
flawlessly but you know that doesn't

1552
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:44,400
mean they're americans it could be

1553
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:45,200
anybody who

1554
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,680
you know doesn't have any an accent from

1555
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:49,680
where they're from or anything

1556
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:52,319
um you know i didn't really see that i i

1557
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:52,720
saw

1558
00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:00,319
white doctors um you know white

1559
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:03,119
humans and but some of the doctors

1560
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:03,599
weren't

1561
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:05,440
human they were you know there was one

1562
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:07,040
that looked kind of like a stork but it

1563
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:09,280
was standing up and but it was some sort

1564
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:10,160
of bug

1565
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:13,200
you know it's funny i mostly saw men and

1566
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:14,720
i didn't see a lot of women

1567
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:17,680
so that's one thing um even the

1568
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:20,079
reptilians the shapeshifters you know

1569
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:21,040
they would shift

1570
00:56:27,829 --> 00:56:24,559
from you know reptilian to

1571
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:27,839
you know a man so i don't know

1572
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:31,440
oh wow so oh that no no that's really

1573
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:32,880
interesting because

1574
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:34,799
there's so much there you know it's like

1575
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:36,799
you don't even know where to start

1576
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:37,680
because

1577
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:40,000
so basically they're just the whole

1578
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:41,599
bottom line is

1579
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:44,000
uh take you for whatever purposes that

1580
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:44,960
they feel

1581
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:47,440
or deem necessary and then bring you

1582
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:48,000
back

1583
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:51,119
and sometimes i mean every single time

1584
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:53,040
with the screen memory or did they

1585
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:54,720
sometimes slip up and you remember it

1586
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:55,839
more

1587
00:57:02,069 --> 00:56:59,520
time

1588
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:02,079
it's completely black since they know

1589
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:03,119
i'm doing this

1590
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:06,240
now they you know maybe do an extra step

1591
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:09,520
and make it completely black but yeah

1592
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:11,119
there are times when i've woken

1593
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:14,079
up just as something was happening like

1594
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:15,599
for instance

1595
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:19,040
i heard uh recently this is another book

1596
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:22,160
um you can wake up now lisa and this

1597
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:24,400
weird you know woman's voice

1598
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:27,280
and so that made me wonder if that was a

1599
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:28,319
hypnotic

1600
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:30,720
you know suggestion that when you hear

1601
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:32,079
my voice

1602
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:34,240
saying you can wake up now lisa then you

1603
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:35,359
wake up

1604
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:38,400
um so yeah i've been in the state

1605
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:41,200
of uh between awaken asleep and

1606
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:43,680
sometimes i'll get some more information

1607
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:45,280
and of course i wrote it all down

1608
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:47,280
because that's the only way you can

1609
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:49,599
you know really you know if you don't

1610
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:51,040
you won't remember it

1611
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:52,960
but if you do then it's just another

1612
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:54,319
piece of the puzzle that you

1613
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:56,960
didn't have before so yeah i have gotten

1614
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:58,960
some information one of the dreams i had

1615
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:00,880
which was really strange

1616
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:03,760
but this one felt real as opposed to a

1617
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:05,200
screen memory because a lot of the

1618
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:06,880
screen memories are actually stressful

1619
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:08,960
it seemed to be stress related

1620
00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:12,000
um but this was two doctors

1621
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:13,760
talking to each other and pointing to

1622
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:15,680
something that they were looking at

1623
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:17,920
and they were talking about being doing

1624
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:20,319
testing on the hippocampus

1625
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:22,799
and that's you know a part of the brain

1626
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:23,920
and um

1627
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:26,480
so i thought this is important

1628
00:58:30,549 --> 00:58:27,839
information

1629
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:30,559
you know somehow i you know got this

1630
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:31,760
information now it could have been a

1631
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:33,040
screen memory

1632
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:36,640
but it made made me want to brown x out

1633
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:38,799
all unnecessary negativity on the

1634
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:41,359
hippocampus right because

1635
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:42,880
that is not something i would have

1636
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:44,720
thought was happening you know

1637
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:47,839
so i mean i think it's really subtle and

1638
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:50,160
unfortunately you have to do do your

1639
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:53,359
work with your stuff for a while

1640
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:55,839
and i think then you start saying oh my

1641
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:57,920
gosh that doesn't feel the same as the

1642
00:59:02,470 --> 00:58:59,119
other stuff and

1643
00:59:04,309 --> 00:59:02,480
it might be information uh you can also

1644
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:04,319
you know then look at that also and

1645
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:05,760
remote view that too

1646
00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:08,640
but you know you get as much information

1647
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:09,440
as you can

1648
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:15,750
um so let me let me cover some things so

1649
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:16,400
basically

1650
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:18,640
one of this particular locations you

1651
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:20,799
remember is antarctica the other one she

1652
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:21,440
said

1653
00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:25,119
um under under water

1654
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:27,680
in a more of um you said was it just a

1655
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:30,640
huge bubble or was it another facility

1656
00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:33,760
it was um it was in antarctica

1657
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:36,400
and in a bubble that was part of another

1658
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:37,839
facility

1659
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:39,839
okay and then the other the other ones

1660
00:59:44,470 --> 00:59:42,079
was then also in antarctica but

1661
00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:44,480
underground where you just said it was

1662
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:45,760
just

1663
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:50,240
brown brown type clothing

1664
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,240
yeah i don't know where that one was i

1665
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:54,240
kept seeing uh actually it being on the

1666
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:55,200
moon

1667
00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:58,160
but i don't know if it is um you know

1668
01:00:06,630 --> 00:59:58,640
it's

1669
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:06,640
it you know it feels really wrong

1670
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:10,000
and um dark and horrible so when you go

1671
01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:11,280
there you know

1672
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:14,559
that you've been tortured there and so

1673
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:16,880
that's what your feeling is whenever i

1674
01:00:20,549 --> 01:00:18,799
went there and i call it torture caves i

1675
01:00:23,910 --> 01:00:20,559
mean that's what i call it

1676
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:23,920
because that's what it feels like um so

1677
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:25,920
that is some sort of underground

1678
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:27,839
facility where they actually have a lot

1679
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:28,480
of

1680
01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:30,720
buildings that are all in brown i mean

1681
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:32,000
it's sort of like

1682
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:33,920
you can't that you can't distinguish one

1683
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:35,839
from the other one of the things that

1684
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:36,720
happened to me

1685
01:00:43,270 --> 01:00:40,079
early on was that i recognized that

1686
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:43,280
there was a long these these these brown

1687
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:46,720
houses or brown barracks or whatever um

1688
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:49,760
had very very long hallways and

1689
01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:52,480
um at one point i even realized and

1690
01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:53,920
discovered that there was

1691
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:56,480
some sort of mylar at the end of one to

1692
01:00:59,030 --> 01:00:57,119
make it look

1693
01:01:01,670 --> 01:00:59,040
extra long but there was something

1694
01:01:03,670 --> 01:01:01,680
behind it and so i looked behind it

1695
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:03,680
and there was like an escalator or

1696
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:05,040
something and i could see

1697
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:08,160
that i was on the moon so you know

1698
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:10,480
these are you know but after oh that was

1699
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:12,400
only after going to it a couple of

1700
01:01:16,789 --> 01:01:15,200
you know maybe 50 times that i finally

1701
01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:16,799
said you know what there's more to this

1702
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:18,559
there's something funny going on you

1703
01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:20,480
know when i look down the hall

1704
01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:23,520
i see weird things you know so but

1705
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:25,200
there's also a lot of me

1706
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:27,359
running down the halls and trying to

1707
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:28,240
find a

1708
01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:31,520
um office to hide in to escape being

1709
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:32,160
tortured

1710
01:01:37,510 --> 01:01:35,280
you know so stuff like that so you

1711
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:37,520
you gotta just look at everything and

1712
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:40,160
just hope you can figure it out

1713
01:01:43,829 --> 01:01:42,720
these uh different insignias was that

1714
01:01:47,109 --> 01:01:43,839
the the one with

1715
01:01:49,670 --> 01:01:47,119
you said that was a leo constellation

1716
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:49,680
yeah with a with a lion underneath as a

1717
01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:50,720
picture

1718
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:54,240
sorry um it was like the um

1719
01:02:01,670 --> 01:01:58,319
horoscope um leo symbol

1720
01:02:04,789 --> 01:02:01,680
and with a one lot one thin line l i n e

1721
01:02:06,069 --> 01:02:04,799
underneath oh i see okay got it okay

1722
01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:06,079
thanks for clarifying that

1723
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:07,839
and so was that was that the only one

1724
01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:09,680
that you've seen or were they

1725
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:12,720
were there um one like

1726
01:02:19,349 --> 01:02:16,240
vw on its side

1727
01:02:21,349 --> 01:02:19,359
on the pointing with the large points

1728
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:21,359
going one direction or the other i can't

1729
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:22,559
remember because i haven't seen it in a

1730
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:23,280
while

1731
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:26,640
with dots in the v part so

1732
01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:29,760
so in the vw there are dots

1733
01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:33,680
in the vw in the fat part

1734
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:41,589
one more time you said so the vw is to

1735
01:02:46,150 --> 01:02:42,240
to

1736
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:46,160
remember

1737
01:02:58,309 --> 01:02:49,920
uh exactly but um it which way it

1738
01:03:01,990 --> 01:03:00,069
can you see that i will uh you know

1739
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:02,000
later on when i when i edit i'll try

1740
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:04,480
to get it sharpened up or take more of a

1741
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:05,440
still from it

1742
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:07,440
and then okay blow that up maybe but

1743
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:08,880
thanks for drawing that out that that

1744
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:09,680
helps

1745
01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:12,480
okay and then there's one more there's

1746
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:12,799
uh

1747
01:03:18,549 --> 01:03:16,480
actually um

1748
01:03:20,470 --> 01:03:18,559
oh shoot i'm not good at drawing i'm

1749
01:03:25,349 --> 01:03:20,480
taking a drawing class so that hopefully

1750
01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:31,589
there's one that looks kind of like a

1751
01:03:39,109 --> 01:03:35,680
uh a dna symbol

1752
01:03:41,829 --> 01:03:39,119
and um with dots in it can you see that

1753
01:03:43,109 --> 01:03:41,839
yes yes if that's perfect perfect shot

1754
01:03:45,829 --> 01:03:43,119
right there

1755
01:03:47,190 --> 01:03:45,839
so is all three different ones or is it

1756
01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:47,200
just a combination

1757
01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:49,599
okay all three different ones so some

1758
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:51,280
people would have some of those

1759
01:03:55,109 --> 01:03:53,520
the others would have the other two okay

1760
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:55,119
right or the other three

1761
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:57,599
on based on the sheet yeah and then

1762
01:04:03,430 --> 01:03:58,960
there's one more

1763
01:04:07,990 --> 01:04:03,440
that was like this it was like a carrot

1764
01:04:11,670 --> 01:04:08,000
with a line underneath it okay

1765
01:04:13,829 --> 01:04:11,680
so those are the ones i was seeing

1766
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:13,839
but i didn't uh i've stopped seeing

1767
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:15,520
those so i don't know if that means that

1768
01:04:19,270 --> 01:04:16,799
those ones are gone

1769
01:04:20,470 --> 01:04:19,280
or if they realize that i was seeing the

1770
01:04:23,029 --> 01:04:20,480
insignias

1771
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:23,039
and that they needed to stop you know

1772
01:04:26,309 --> 01:04:23,839
make sure they

1773
01:04:27,750 --> 01:04:26,319
don't have those on i have more plain

1774
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:27,760
clothes

1775
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:30,000
when they take me i'm not really sure

1776
01:04:34,150 --> 01:04:31,680
but

1777
01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:34,160
so lisa what do you what do you think

1778
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:35,200
what do you think this

1779
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:37,200
all of this is heading to you know

1780
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:38,880
obviously it's been happening for

1781
01:04:42,069 --> 01:04:41,680
decades in your case right and so what

1782
01:04:46,309 --> 01:04:42,079
do you

1783
01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:46,319
ultimate goal is i mean besides just

1784
01:04:50,230 --> 01:04:48,240
you know what maybe creating some kind

1785
01:04:51,270 --> 01:04:50,240
of hybrids on their own maybe some kind

1786
01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:51,280
of um

1787
01:04:55,750 --> 01:04:53,920
um you know difference into

1788
01:04:58,950 --> 01:04:55,760
inter-species breeding

1789
01:04:59,430 --> 01:04:58,960
what are your thoughts um i actually

1790
01:05:02,549 --> 01:04:59,440
have had

1791
01:05:04,549 --> 01:05:02,559
many thoughts sometimes i have a theory

1792
01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:04,559
and then it goes sideways but

1793
01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:06,880
um and that'll happen so don't be afraid

1794
01:05:11,589 --> 01:05:08,400
of that if that happens to you

1795
01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:11,599
um i think that they have many it's sort

1796
01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:12,400
of like many

1797
01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:14,720
projects going on all at the same time

1798
01:05:16,950 --> 01:05:15,520
sort of like

1799
01:05:18,950 --> 01:05:16,960
product project i don't know if you

1800
01:05:22,069 --> 01:05:18,960
heard of some of these but project

1801
01:05:26,069 --> 01:05:22,079
monarch is one and they had like 19

1802
01:05:28,069 --> 01:05:26,079
or 119 um projects underneath it where

1803
01:05:31,270 --> 01:05:28,079
they're trying out different things

1804
01:05:32,710 --> 01:05:31,280
um so i think that they have so many

1805
01:05:35,190 --> 01:05:32,720
projects going on

1806
01:05:35,829 --> 01:05:35,200
and it depends you know somebody can be

1807
01:05:38,390 --> 01:05:35,839
in one

1808
01:05:39,670 --> 01:05:38,400
program and then another program you

1809
01:05:41,910 --> 01:05:39,680
know so like maybe

1810
01:05:43,910 --> 01:05:41,920
you know when i'm being taken i was

1811
01:05:46,309 --> 01:05:43,920
being taken four times a night

1812
01:05:47,349 --> 01:05:46,319
now i think i'm only being taken twice a

1813
01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:47,359
night

1814
01:05:51,270 --> 01:05:49,920
um so theoretically speaking i could see

1815
01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:51,280
that i was in different

1816
01:05:55,990 --> 01:05:54,240
programs i think i was in the program of

1817
01:05:58,069 --> 01:05:56,000
learning to breathe underwater

1818
01:05:59,829 --> 01:05:58,079
program and i don't know what that would

1819
01:06:02,630 --> 01:05:59,839
be called but

1820
01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:02,640
and i think i was maybe i have implants

1821
01:06:07,349 --> 01:06:04,160
in both of my eyes

1822
01:06:09,750 --> 01:06:07,359
so and they glow and they annoy me

1823
01:06:10,630 --> 01:06:09,760
and also people look through them i can

1824
01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:10,640
feel like i'm

1825
01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:12,880
someone's looking through my eyes so

1826
01:06:17,109 --> 01:06:15,200
maybe project eyeball was another one

1827
01:06:20,549 --> 01:06:17,119
you know what i mean so i think

1828
01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:20,559
it feels like they're you know i'm so

1829
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:22,960
one of multiple programs and

1830
01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:24,960
unfortunately that means that i'm

1831
01:06:30,549 --> 01:06:28,000
you know that's probably why that i've

1832
01:06:31,510 --> 01:06:30,559
been this been going on for so long you

1833
01:06:33,670 --> 01:06:31,520
know maybe they were

1834
01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:33,680
i was under project clone you know i

1835
01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:35,760
don't know just listening to all of that

1836
01:06:41,589 --> 01:06:37,520
it almost seems like that

1837
01:06:43,589 --> 01:06:41,599
the humans have somehow gotten hold of

1838
01:06:44,630 --> 01:06:43,599
some kind of information or we're given

1839
01:06:47,510 --> 01:06:44,640
some information

1840
01:06:48,549 --> 01:06:47,520
some more advanced uh genetic uh

1841
01:06:51,349 --> 01:06:48,559
knowledge about

1842
01:06:52,870 --> 01:06:51,359
how to do better gene splicing or

1843
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:52,880
something and so they're like hey let's

1844
01:06:56,549 --> 01:06:54,640
go crazy with this

1845
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:56,559
yes i agree i think that's one of the

1846
01:07:01,109 --> 01:06:58,880
things and since the ets are working

1847
01:07:03,029 --> 01:07:01,119
with them i agree i think they know a

1848
01:07:05,270 --> 01:07:03,039
lot more than they're saying

1849
01:07:07,109 --> 01:07:05,280
and a lot more science and a lot more

1850
01:07:08,230 --> 01:07:07,119
everything but they're just not letting

1851
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:08,240
it out

1852
01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:10,559
one thing i wanted to say which kind of

1853
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:11,760
goes with this

1854
01:07:17,589 --> 01:07:14,880
is my husband is very sciencey and

1855
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:17,599
um about last year i was reading a book

1856
01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:19,200
on north korea

1857
01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:21,119
and i thought how sad those people they

1858
01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:22,720
don't know anything you know their

1859
01:07:26,630 --> 01:07:25,039
their information is restricted and then

1860
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:26,640
i realized i was reading that to know

1861
01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:28,319
that i am also you know

1862
01:07:33,029 --> 01:07:31,200
our i think our information is just as

1863
01:07:34,230 --> 01:07:33,039
restricted as north korea is except that

1864
01:07:36,309 --> 01:07:34,240
we don't know it

1865
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:36,319
you know so i think that unfortunately a

1866
01:07:40,549 --> 01:07:38,720
lot of us ufo people or the people that

1867
01:07:42,789 --> 01:07:40,559
are being taken every night

1868
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:42,799
we know all too well that there's a lot

1869
01:07:46,390 --> 01:07:44,400
more things going on

1870
01:07:47,589 --> 01:07:46,400
that we you know the general public

1871
01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:47,599
isn't aware of

1872
01:07:51,589 --> 01:07:49,760
and we don't even know what we don't

1873
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:51,599
know you know there's so much stuff

1874
01:07:57,029 --> 01:07:53,760
going on

1875
01:07:58,710 --> 01:07:57,039
right no i agree i agree i just um

1876
01:08:00,789 --> 01:07:58,720
you know it's one of these things it's

1877
01:08:02,950 --> 01:08:00,799
it's easy or enough already

1878
01:08:04,950 --> 01:08:02,960
by by giving people sm little

1879
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:04,960
information to get them confused enough

1880
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:05,760
and keep them

1881
01:08:12,069 --> 01:08:09,760
i guess unaware of certain things but um

1882
01:08:13,829 --> 01:08:12,079
how in the world can something like this

1883
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:13,839
ever come out in the open when you

1884
01:08:17,590 --> 01:08:15,920
think about it does this will really

1885
01:08:18,630 --> 01:08:17,600
screw with their minds especially if

1886
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:18,640
they're already

1887
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:21,759
in this smaller bubble to begin with

1888
01:08:26,709 --> 01:08:24,400
yeah i agree and i wonder too about the

1889
01:08:28,390 --> 01:08:26,719
um whole the whole ufo thing suddenly is

1890
01:08:30,149 --> 01:08:28,400
you know popped up and they're like yeah

1891
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:30,159
you're right we've been lying to you all

1892
01:08:33,749 --> 01:08:31,199
these years

1893
01:08:35,910 --> 01:08:33,759
um you know i hope that gives all of us

1894
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:35,920
abductees a little bit more status

1895
01:08:38,229 --> 01:08:36,799
because

1896
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:38,239
you know we've been saying this for

1897
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:40,400
years and we've been um you know

1898
01:08:45,030 --> 01:08:42,560
ridiculed and you know putting us in

1899
01:08:46,950 --> 01:08:45,040
insane asylums and that kind of thing

1900
01:08:48,149 --> 01:08:46,960
and all that for the benefit for

1901
01:08:49,349 --> 01:08:48,159
everyone else but

1902
01:08:50,789 --> 01:08:49,359
you know they don't they don't see it

1903
01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:50,799
that way because hey they're not

1904
01:08:54,870 --> 01:08:52,960
experiencing so it must be you you and

1905
01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:54,880
you you're the crazy one

1906
01:08:58,470 --> 01:08:57,120
yeah actually somebody said to me um

1907
01:09:01,510 --> 01:08:58,480
fairly recently well why

1908
01:09:03,669 --> 01:09:01,520
you that's like well

1909
01:09:05,669 --> 01:09:03,679
i'm not the only one you know there are

1910
01:09:08,149 --> 01:09:05,679
many of us so

1911
01:09:08,709 --> 01:09:08,159
yeah i i'm really interested to see you

1912
01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:08,719
know

1913
01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:11,040
the us recently had their space force

1914
01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:12,560
and you know what is that really all

1915
01:09:15,189 --> 01:09:13,040
about

1916
01:09:16,229 --> 01:09:15,199
what are they really fearful of what's

1917
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:16,239
about to happen

1918
01:09:19,669 --> 01:09:17,759
so i think they had to come out with the

1919
01:09:21,669 --> 01:09:19,679
ufo stuff being real

1920
01:09:23,110 --> 01:09:21,679
because it seems like something's about

1921
01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:23,120
to happen

1922
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:25,920
well how quickly do you really think

1923
01:09:30,630 --> 01:09:27,359
this can unravel because

1924
01:09:33,829 --> 01:09:30,640
my thoughts um you know were that

1925
01:09:34,149 --> 01:09:33,839
where they are now is where most of us

1926
01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:34,159
were

1927
01:09:37,189 --> 01:09:36,880
20 30 years ago you know and i think

1928
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:37,199
they

1929
01:09:44,390 --> 01:09:41,759
and i for example discussing today

1930
01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:44,400
it would have to literally be more and

1931
01:09:48,149 --> 01:09:46,400
more about lights in the sky and maybe

1932
01:09:50,470 --> 01:09:48,159
two three years worth of that

1933
01:09:51,829 --> 01:09:50,480
you know and then all of the sudden you

1934
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:51,839
know there was a sign of

1935
01:09:55,110 --> 01:09:53,520
sighting of maybe a landing i don't know

1936
01:09:56,790 --> 01:09:55,120
i'm just guessing at this point right

1937
01:09:59,030 --> 01:09:56,800
you know and then you know two three

1938
01:10:00,709 --> 01:09:59,040
years of that you know and then finally

1939
01:10:01,270 --> 01:10:00,719
kind of getting to more and more to

1940
01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:01,280
where

1941
01:10:05,430 --> 01:10:03,760
you know when you're already you know 20

1942
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:05,440
30 years into it oh

1943
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:07,360
so 60 years ago they were doing this

1944
01:10:10,470 --> 01:10:08,560
experience and then they

1945
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:10,480
just kind of like okay let's move on you

1946
01:10:14,470 --> 01:10:12,719
know right yeah

1947
01:10:16,070 --> 01:10:14,480
i i agree with you i don't know how it's

1948
01:10:18,630 --> 01:10:16,080
going to unravel but i feel like they're

1949
01:10:20,470 --> 01:10:18,640
doing it for as a preemptive strike

1950
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:20,480
like they're saying okay you know you

1951
01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:22,480
caught us we really have all this and

1952
01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:24,880
this is why we have the space force and

1953
01:10:28,950 --> 01:10:26,800
it's sort of like to put the narrative

1954
01:10:30,709 --> 01:10:28,960
in place first that's how i see it

1955
01:10:32,470 --> 01:10:30,719
right no i think you're right because i

1956
01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:32,480
mean the whole job of government is to

1957
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:33,120
always

1958
01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:35,520
stay in authority and if you all of the

1959
01:10:38,790 --> 01:10:37,360
sudden are not in authority and it

1960
01:10:40,470 --> 01:10:38,800
doesn't come through you

1961
01:10:42,149 --> 01:10:40,480
you know not very many people are going

1962
01:10:44,070 --> 01:10:42,159
to follow what you have to say

1963
01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:44,080
so of course they want to have this you

1964
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:46,080
know hey we told you about this first

1965
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:47,920
we're working on this you just let us

1966
01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:49,679
get to this we'll tell you

1967
01:10:53,030 --> 01:10:52,480
what you need to know so that very well

1968
01:10:57,669 --> 01:10:53,040
could

1969
01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:57,679
get it past them

1970
01:11:00,870 --> 01:11:00,560
i agree but i wonder too if all these

1971
01:11:03,030 --> 01:11:00,880
other

1972
01:11:05,110 --> 01:11:03,040
unmanned spacecraft are manned you know

1973
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:05,120
the tesla and all these different

1974
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:07,199
is really the reason that they're having

1975
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:09,360
to hurry because they're realizing they

1976
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:10,960
can't keep that cap

1977
01:11:15,990 --> 01:11:13,440
on the information anymore and like what

1978
01:11:16,709 --> 01:11:16,000
if i read a book recently by ingo swann

1979
01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:16,719
about

1980
01:11:20,310 --> 01:11:20,000
the moon having a an alien race on it

1981
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:20,320
that

1982
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:24,000
has psychic abilities like telepathy

1983
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:25,520
and it was really interesting the way

1984
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:26,880
they were showing you know all the

1985
01:11:29,189 --> 01:11:28,560
different pictures of the moon and how

1986
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:29,199
we never

1987
01:11:33,669 --> 01:11:32,159
have any hd photos of the moon they're

1988
01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:33,679
all blurry

1989
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:36,400
and so when you know these people are

1990
01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:38,400
going up in their spacecraft that are

1991
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:39,280
not nasa

1992
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:41,520
how are they going to keep a cap on

1993
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:43,679
what's really going on on the moon's

1994
01:11:48,229 --> 01:11:47,040
other side you know or whatever right

1995
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:48,239
yeah because that's always been the

1996
01:11:51,030 --> 01:11:50,159
speculation what is on the dark side of

1997
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:51,040
the moon

1998
01:11:54,070 --> 01:11:53,040
you know there's sometimes there's

1999
01:11:55,990 --> 01:11:54,080
rumors of

2000
01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:56,000
what some astronauts have talked about

2001
01:12:00,550 --> 01:11:57,840
but then again you know i don't know

2002
01:12:02,310 --> 01:12:00,560
it can't be substantiated because again

2003
01:12:03,510 --> 01:12:02,320
it's just rumors online but it's

2004
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:03,520
interesting to know

2005
01:12:06,950 --> 01:12:05,440
what i always did is when it comes to

2006
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:06,960
any kind of information i would always

2007
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:08,400
take it and put it in the back of my

2008
01:12:10,790 --> 01:12:08,960
mind

2009
01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:10,800
so that when i'm actually faced with it

2010
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:13,120
one day then i know oh i have something

2011
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:13,840
to

2012
01:12:20,709 --> 01:12:17,920
just something i heard that

2013
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:20,719
either i never came across that info or

2014
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:22,560
it's just not true you know

2015
01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:24,719
but but to just kind of block it out and

2016
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:26,719
just say forget about this and just you

2017
01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:27,280
know

2018
01:12:34,149 --> 01:12:31,760
i feel like i'm doing

2019
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:34,159
doing a disservice to myself because

2020
01:12:37,590 --> 01:12:35,280
wouldn't you want to be

2021
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:37,600
more well well-versed in certain

2022
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:38,560
subjects know

2023
01:12:41,910 --> 01:12:40,560
more about certain things you know than

2024
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:41,920
to just say oh i don't want to hear

2025
01:12:45,750 --> 01:12:43,040
about it that's crazy

2026
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:45,760
let's move on yeah well i really think

2027
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:46,320
that

2028
01:12:49,750 --> 01:12:49,120
a lot of people especially those are

2029
01:12:52,550 --> 01:12:49,760
anti

2030
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:52,560
you know abductee or whatever they just

2031
01:12:54,790 --> 01:12:53,440
don't really

2032
01:12:57,830 --> 01:12:54,800
either they don't have time in their

2033
01:13:00,070 --> 01:12:57,840
life for it or they just don't

2034
01:13:01,030 --> 01:13:00,080
they really believe all the scientists

2035
01:13:03,590 --> 01:13:01,040
and you know

2036
01:13:05,189 --> 01:13:03,600
i think that's unfortunate because

2037
01:13:06,790 --> 01:13:05,199
they're just their mind isn't open but

2038
01:13:08,550 --> 01:13:06,800
they don't know it they think they are

2039
01:13:10,870 --> 01:13:08,560
open-minded so

2040
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:10,880
it's i mean in a way i think this whole

2041
01:13:15,270 --> 01:13:12,480
ufo thing becoming

2042
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:15,280
you know more you know the government

2043
01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:16,640
finally admitting it

2044
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:18,960
i think that that's really helpful um

2045
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:20,400
for most people

2046
01:13:25,189 --> 01:13:23,600
right because then they realized that

2047
01:13:27,910 --> 01:13:25,199
the government didn't tell them

2048
01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:27,920
this until now and it's been going on

2049
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:28,640
forever

2050
01:13:35,189 --> 01:13:32,880
so talking about trust issues yeah

2051
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:35,199
exactly and so i think you know

2052
01:13:38,950 --> 01:13:37,120
unfortunately i didn't consent to this

2053
01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:38,960
um i mean if this was happening to me

2054
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:40,560
when i was a little girl and maybe even

2055
01:13:44,709 --> 01:13:41,679
a baby

2056
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:44,719
um i didn't consent to this and so for

2057
01:13:47,669 --> 01:13:46,560
the government to be turning a blind eye

2058
01:13:50,070 --> 01:13:47,679
at it you know

2059
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:50,080
that doesn't make me feel very trustful

2060
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:51,760
of them

2061
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:54,000
well this i mean i was going to say this

2062
01:13:57,030 --> 01:13:55,440
might be a bit late in the interview but

2063
01:13:57,750 --> 01:13:57,040
i guess it's never too late to ask more

2064
01:14:01,030 --> 01:13:57,760
questions

2065
01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:01,040
how was your family aware of what was

2066
01:14:06,310 --> 01:14:03,040
going on

2067
01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:06,320
well as you were growing up no

2068
01:14:09,990 --> 01:14:08,080
because when i would have these strange

2069
01:14:12,709 --> 01:14:10,000
experiences i wouldn't

2070
01:14:14,310 --> 01:14:12,719
you know it was i didn't really know

2071
01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:14,320
what to call it and you know

2072
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:16,880
i my parents were you know both worked

2073
01:14:20,070 --> 01:14:18,480
and they just didn't have time for that

2074
01:14:23,110 --> 01:14:20,080
and so i actually never talked to

2075
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:23,120
anyone about it um until you know it was

2076
01:14:27,430 --> 01:14:24,400
happening to me and i would stay

2077
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:27,440
stay with my sister at her house um but

2078
01:14:29,990 --> 01:14:28,480
um

2079
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:30,000
you know then i would talk about it

2080
01:14:33,990 --> 01:14:31,520
because i needed her permission to use

2081
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:34,000
her name in my book for one thing but

2082
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:36,719
um but no i really didn't talk about it

2083
01:14:39,110 --> 01:14:38,000
and some of the things that would happen

2084
01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:39,120
to me were so

2085
01:14:43,750 --> 01:14:41,920
um sporadic like for instance you know i

2086
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:43,760
at 10 i kept having a daydream that

2087
01:14:47,669 --> 01:14:45,760
would happen over and over for seven

2088
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:47,679
nights and then it would come true

2089
01:14:50,950 --> 01:14:49,440
and i didn't know what to call that i

2090
01:14:53,189 --> 01:14:50,960
mean

2091
01:14:54,229 --> 01:14:53,199
it was unusual and i also thought i was

2092
01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:54,239
causing it

2093
01:14:58,070 --> 01:14:56,080
you know and then it happened again when

2094
01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:58,080
i was 16 that same thing

2095
01:15:01,430 --> 01:14:59,760
i kept having a daydream that i was

2096
01:15:03,189 --> 01:15:01,440
moving to a foreign country

2097
01:15:04,870 --> 01:15:03,199
and then i didn't want it to happen

2098
01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:04,880
because i moved every

2099
01:15:08,390 --> 01:15:07,440
every year or every two years and my um

2100
01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:08,400
and i was about to

2101
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:11,120
go into my senior year of high school

2102
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:11,600
and i

2103
01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:14,640
certainly didn't want that to happen so

2104
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:16,560
i was praying that it wouldn't happen

2105
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:17,760
and then it did then i

2106
01:15:24,070 --> 01:15:20,960
ended up moving to the philippines so

2107
01:15:26,950 --> 01:15:24,080
you know those two things one when i was

2108
01:15:27,430 --> 01:15:26,960
10 10 and one when i was 16 six years

2109
01:15:29,590 --> 01:15:27,440
later

2110
01:15:32,149 --> 01:15:29,600
i mean what do you call that i mean i

2111
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:32,159
just tucked it away as a thing that

2112
01:15:36,390 --> 01:15:34,320
i had no idea what was happening i

2113
01:15:37,990 --> 01:15:36,400
didn't know what to call it

2114
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:38,000
and occasionally i would have prophetic

2115
01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:39,760
dreams you know

2116
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:41,440
um that that would come true the next

2117
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:42,800
day so these are just

2118
01:15:46,149 --> 01:15:44,880
isolated weird incidences that i

2119
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:46,159
couldn't even

2120
01:15:49,270 --> 01:15:48,080
describe very well you know especially

2121
01:15:52,390 --> 01:15:49,280
when you're a little kid

2122
01:15:55,830 --> 01:15:52,400
you know trying to explain

2123
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:55,840
what that meant you know so

2124
01:16:01,750 --> 01:15:59,120
i did not right did uh

2125
01:16:02,550 --> 01:16:01,760
did at any point you said you discovered

2126
01:16:05,910 --> 01:16:02,560
more did you

2127
01:16:07,350 --> 01:16:05,920
did you say psychic medium later on yes

2128
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:07,360
yes i did

2129
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:10,080
did any of that maybe come in as a handy

2130
01:16:12,390 --> 01:16:10,560
tool

2131
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:12,400
during some of the abductions or not

2132
01:16:19,510 --> 01:16:13,920
really

2133
01:16:21,669 --> 01:16:19,520
you know it didn't seem to help me when

2134
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:21,679
i needed it one of the things that i was

2135
01:16:25,510 --> 01:16:23,600
working with with the medium was turning

2136
01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:25,520
it off and turning it on

2137
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:28,719
you know kind of like a dial on a radio

2138
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:33,360
and i you know i just

2139
01:16:38,870 --> 01:16:36,480
no i never used it but i i did

2140
01:16:40,950 --> 01:16:38,880
i do think being with aliens helped me

2141
01:16:43,110 --> 01:16:40,960
with my psychic-ness but i don't think

2142
01:16:45,350 --> 01:16:43,120
my psychic-ness helped me with you know

2143
01:16:48,630 --> 01:16:45,360
them for instance

2144
01:16:49,910 --> 01:16:48,640
i see so lisa is there anything else

2145
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:49,920
that you would like to

2146
01:16:54,630 --> 01:16:52,800
uh cover or get into that i might not

2147
01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:54,640
know to ask you

2148
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:03,910
i just want to say that um

2149
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:06,550
that oh i wanted to say that i do use

2150
01:17:11,830 --> 01:17:07,360
something called

2151
01:17:17,189 --> 01:17:11,840
allahi l-a-h-o-c-h-i

2152
01:17:20,310 --> 01:17:17,199
it is a um it's a healing modality

2153
01:17:22,390 --> 01:17:20,320
and it's actually hands-on healing um i

2154
01:17:24,229 --> 01:17:22,400
used it after abduction

2155
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:24,239
because i found that i would be awake

2156
01:17:28,870 --> 01:17:25,520
for hours

2157
01:17:31,110 --> 01:17:28,880
i don't know if are you in a ducty too

2158
01:17:32,550 --> 01:17:31,120
i would i consider myself a contactee

2159
01:17:35,110 --> 01:17:32,560
but not no

2160
01:17:36,310 --> 01:17:35,120
yeah gotcha i got my own story but

2161
01:17:37,669 --> 01:17:36,320
that's a different

2162
01:17:39,270 --> 01:17:37,679
difference i know that's what i think

2163
01:17:40,870 --> 01:17:39,280
it's so funny i wrote a book to meet my

2164
01:17:43,270 --> 01:17:40,880
people and i'm meeting him every time i

2165
01:17:46,550 --> 01:17:43,280
go on a podcast

2166
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:46,560
um so it's kind of cool but um

2167
01:17:50,149 --> 01:17:48,880
so one thing i found was when i was in

2168
01:17:53,189 --> 01:17:50,159
healing i took a class

2169
01:17:56,310 --> 01:17:53,199
angelic and i also took la ho chi

2170
01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:56,320
and you can go find it at lahochi.com um

2171
01:18:00,470 --> 01:17:58,080
basically it's hands-on healing

2172
01:18:02,310 --> 01:18:00,480
and they have hand positions that you

2173
01:18:05,270 --> 01:18:02,320
can use on your own body

2174
01:18:05,990 --> 01:18:05,280
and it really helped me a lot uh during

2175
01:18:10,709 --> 01:18:06,000
um

2176
01:18:13,030 --> 01:18:10,719
because i just would be either wired or

2177
01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:13,040
couldn't sleep so i would just

2178
01:18:17,669 --> 01:18:15,760
use that and i would put it put my hands

2179
01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:17,679
you know like you know on my head or

2180
01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:20,400
you know where on all the there are four

2181
01:18:24,149 --> 01:18:21,760
different hand positions for

2182
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:24,159
self-healing and it really helped and i

2183
01:18:28,310 --> 01:18:25,280
think everyone has

2184
01:18:29,830 --> 01:18:28,320
should do it um just to take care of

2185
01:18:32,790 --> 01:18:29,840
yourself after an abduction

2186
01:18:34,390 --> 01:18:32,800
um meditation really helped help me and

2187
01:18:37,750 --> 01:18:34,400
one of the things i used

2188
01:18:38,709 --> 01:18:37,760
was a copper pyramid that i made and in

2189
01:18:41,189 --> 01:18:38,719
the book there is

2190
01:18:42,870 --> 01:18:41,199
instructions for making a copper pyramid

2191
01:18:44,709 --> 01:18:42,880
uh making your own and

2192
01:18:45,990 --> 01:18:44,719
the copper pyramid sort of acts like a

2193
01:18:48,709 --> 01:18:46,000
funnel for

2194
01:18:49,669 --> 01:18:48,719
for the information to get to you and

2195
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:49,679
it's really helpful

2196
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:52,080
um meditation doesn't have to be about

2197
01:18:55,189 --> 01:18:54,000
clearing your mind and sitting still and

2198
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:55,199
trying to keep those

2199
01:18:59,430 --> 01:18:57,120
pesky thoughts out of your mind you can

2200
01:19:02,229 --> 01:18:59,440
also use guided meditations and i

2201
01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:02,239
listed a couple in my book too that's

2202
01:19:07,270 --> 01:19:03,760
very very helpful

2203
01:19:10,390 --> 01:19:07,280
and just helps you know you feel calm

2204
01:19:13,030 --> 01:19:10,400
oh uh one other things is that um

2205
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:13,040
the quicker you can use your lose your

2206
01:19:17,430 --> 01:19:13,920
fear

2207
01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:17,440
of your abductors uh the better because

2208
01:19:24,070 --> 01:19:20,880
they're using your fear to control you

2209
01:19:26,070 --> 01:19:24,080
so that's really key um so i actually

2210
01:19:29,189 --> 01:19:26,080
don't have any fear anymore

2211
01:19:29,830 --> 01:19:29,199
and um you know i don't let them control

2212
01:19:31,750 --> 01:19:29,840
me

2213
01:19:34,390 --> 01:19:31,760
another thing they do seem to do is they

2214
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:34,400
want to use your emotions against you

2215
01:19:39,510 --> 01:19:37,760
and in that way they want to they want

2216
01:19:41,830 --> 01:19:39,520
you to feel the terror

2217
01:19:43,189 --> 01:19:41,840
you know so they want you to be able to

2218
01:19:45,910 --> 01:19:43,199
be controllable

2219
01:19:48,709 --> 01:19:45,920
by using like emotional blackmail on you

2220
01:19:51,110 --> 01:19:48,719
one of the things they were doing to me

2221
01:19:52,390 --> 01:19:51,120
not too long ago was they were saying um

2222
01:19:56,709 --> 01:19:52,400
if you don't do this

2223
01:19:59,350 --> 01:19:56,719
um i'll kill your husband and

2224
01:20:01,110 --> 01:19:59,360
i told him go ahead that's his journey

2225
01:20:03,910 --> 01:20:01,120
because i'm not letting them

2226
01:20:04,630 --> 01:20:03,920
use my emotions my fears of my husband

2227
01:20:06,629 --> 01:20:04,640
dying

2228
01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:06,639
against me to be able to get me to do

2229
01:20:10,550 --> 01:20:08,000
what they want

2230
01:20:11,270 --> 01:20:10,560
and that might seem extreme but uh he's

2231
01:20:14,550 --> 01:20:11,280
still here

2232
01:20:15,990 --> 01:20:14,560
so don't worry but it's just a means of

2233
01:20:18,310 --> 01:20:16,000
control

2234
01:20:19,830 --> 01:20:18,320
so if they can and that's i think it's

2235
01:20:20,709 --> 01:20:19,840
sort of good that i don't have children

2236
01:20:22,310 --> 01:20:20,719
because

2237
01:20:24,550 --> 01:20:22,320
i could see that that would be a real

2238
01:20:26,229 --> 01:20:24,560
dilemma for me as if they said

2239
01:20:28,390 --> 01:20:26,239
if you don't do this i'm going to kill

2240
01:20:29,510 --> 01:20:28,400
your child and of course that's how they

2241
01:20:32,229 --> 01:20:29,520
can get compliance

2242
01:20:32,790 --> 01:20:32,239
is by you know threatening your child

2243
01:20:35,830 --> 01:20:32,800
you know

2244
01:20:37,990 --> 01:20:35,840
so uh just try to

2245
01:20:39,669 --> 01:20:38,000
go with it and don't don't let them

2246
01:20:41,510 --> 01:20:39,679
control you with fear

2247
01:20:43,830 --> 01:20:41,520
and use all this information against

2248
01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:43,840
them i mean you can figure out what's

2249
01:20:47,110 --> 01:20:44,560
going on

2250
01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:47,120
it takes a little bit of time and work

2251
01:20:49,669 --> 01:20:47,760
but

2252
01:20:51,990 --> 01:20:49,679
you can do it and you can start exiting

2253
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:52,000
them out and when you do that

2254
01:20:56,709 --> 01:20:53,760
there are fewer and fewer it takes a

2255
01:20:59,750 --> 01:20:56,719
while it's not not an easy fix

2256
01:21:01,189 --> 01:20:59,760
but it's really uh worthwhile and if

2257
01:21:04,149 --> 01:21:01,199
you're motivated you can

2258
01:21:04,550 --> 01:21:04,159
get rid of them well lisa thank you very

2259
01:21:06,950 --> 01:21:04,560
much

2260
01:21:09,189 --> 01:21:06,960
um for those of you watching i will have

2261
01:21:11,830 --> 01:21:09,199
all the links in the description below

2262
01:21:12,629 --> 01:21:11,840
but also lisa i would like to do maybe

2263
01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:12,639
go over to let

2264
01:21:16,550 --> 01:21:14,480
go over it could be your title of your

2265
01:21:19,669 --> 01:21:16,560
book maybe where they can get it and

2266
01:21:22,470 --> 01:21:19,679
we'll finish up with that sure sure my

2267
01:21:25,590 --> 01:21:22,480
book is called abducted and furious

2268
01:21:28,070 --> 01:21:25,600
how i fought back and how you can too

2269
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:28,080
and it's on amazon and it's in kindle

2270
01:21:32,229 --> 01:21:28,960
and also

2271
01:21:34,990 --> 01:21:32,239
book format that's all the only places

2272
01:21:38,550 --> 01:21:35,000
it is right now i have a website

2273
01:21:41,030 --> 01:21:38,560
lisaoharaonline.com and

2274
01:21:43,830 --> 01:21:41,040
i have a facebook group and a facebook

2275
01:21:45,750 --> 01:21:43,840
page of abducted and furious

2276
01:21:47,430 --> 01:21:45,760
abducted and furious is the facebook

2277
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:47,440
page and then underneath that is the

2278
01:21:52,629 --> 01:21:49,280
facebook group called abducted and

2279
01:21:54,629 --> 01:21:52,639
furious with lisa o'hara

2280
01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:54,639
all right well lisa thank you very much

2281
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:56,800
again i really appreciate you being on

2282
01:22:01,270 --> 01:21:58,239
and sharing your story

2283
01:22:02,709 --> 01:22:01,280
um i know you you probably have

2284
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:02,719
conquered a lot of reviews as you

2285
01:22:06,229 --> 01:22:04,560
mentioned but i can also

2286
01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:06,239
see definitely being difficult to talk

2287
01:22:09,189 --> 01:22:07,600
about some of these things so i

2288
01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:09,199
appreciate you being on and talking

2289
01:22:12,470 --> 01:22:10,080
about it

2290
01:22:13,590 --> 01:22:12,480
and um yeah i hope i hope we can do this

2291
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:13,600
again sometime

2292
01:22:20,709 --> 01:22:17,040
and um again thank you and uh you know

2293
01:22:23,830 --> 01:22:20,719
i i i hope uh you know you

2294
01:22:24,229 --> 01:22:23,840
they stop doing what they're doing i do

2295
01:22:26,070 --> 01:22:24,239
too

2296
01:22:27,910 --> 01:22:26,080
believe me i definitely want it to be

2297
01:22:30,790 --> 01:22:27,920
over that's my whole goal

2298
01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:30,800
is to get rid of them right all right

2299
01:22:33,990 --> 01:22:32,080
well lisa thank you

2300
01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:34,000
you know thank you and everyone else